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Testimonies are just that, a telling of what the individual has experienced. Seems you ought to accord the same respect to each type - I mean to be fair and all that justice stuff.
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10-04-2005, 04:52 PM | #462 | |
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10-04-2005, 04:55 PM | #463 | |
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10-04-2005, 05:10 PM | #464 | |
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I know some (note- SOME) evolutionists and agnostics and atheists who could really benefit from a program like this, as well as some (note- SOME) Christians and creationists. As Prof. Diggory says in CS Lewis's The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, "Logic! Why don't they teach logic at these schools?"
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The word "homosexual" by definition implies a behavior in a certain area - i.e., sexuality. What is the problem about that? Many groups that we discuss are defined by their behavior in a certain area - writer, artist, fascist, etc. etc. This is one objection that seems to me has no foundation in reality, but rather is founded in trying to win an argument. Quote:
If homosexuals as a group have behaviors that place higher burdens on society, then we need to deal with that. Perhaps in ways like they do in San Francisco, where they target gay bars with literature (and still no one here calls that "gay bashing" or "stereotyping" or "prejudice"). If people with burglar alarms as a group cost the police department some wasted calls, then we need to deal with that, too, and we do, at least in our community (they get the first 3 calls free, then they start getting charged). Quote:
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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10-04-2005, 05:33 PM | #466 | ||
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As I said before, the very definition of the word "homosexual" talks about a behavior, as do many words that talk about people. It doesn't say this group all act in the same way in all areas of their life; but it DOES say that they like/desire/have urges for homosexual behavior. And if a person is a homosexual, then decides that they don't want to act that way in the sexual aspect of their life anymore, then that's fine, and the groups that help them with this should be lauded! Just like if I, a married woman, start wanting to express my sexuality with other men, and have an affair, but decide for whatever reason that I don't want to act this way anymore. I would still have the DESIRE, but for me, I've decided that I need to not ACT on the desire because for me, I think it's detrimental to those around me and to myself.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 10-04-2005 at 05:34 PM. |
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10-04-2005, 06:46 PM | #468 | |
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And even if I'm BORN to have sexual attraction to many other guys, I can CHOOSE to act on that desire or not, depending upon whether I think it's right or not. It may be harder or easier, depending on the strength of the desire that I was BORN with - but if you're going to say that whatever you're born with, that's OK to act on, then I think it will be fairly easy to show problems with that idea, don't you?
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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****WARNING TO MOOTERS WHOSE SCREEN NAME BEGINS WITH EITHER AN "L" OR AN "R"
Be civil to each other.
Debate the issues. Do not denegrate fellow Mooters. ...Ph.D. simply means "piled higher and deeper" so don't even go there.
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If you're talking about me, could you please PM me, because I don't see how I'm violating any of those things
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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Homosexuality is not a choice. It is just the way people are. The "causes" of them being that way are irrelevant. That is why the ethnic analogy is far more apposite than the political one. It is interesting that the vast, vast majority of this thread is by straight people arguing over whether gays deserve equality. Occasionally, some of our GLB mooters chip in, mostly in very eloquent and moving ways, but their voices are very much drowned out by the argument between the censorious and the liberal. Imagine how you would feel if you did a "find and replace" on this thread, replacing "gay" or "homosexual" with "Christian". Quote:
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Gay is a behaviour that can define a group, such as artists, writers, and fascists?
So... who likes to do it missionary style? Hand up please... okay, all of you, stand over there. Thank you. You're not allowed to marry or adopt children.
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BS = bulls**t MS = more s**t MD = more and deeper PhD = piled higher and deeper One might argue that an MD = PhD as both are doctorates so one must conclude that more and deeper is piled higher and deeper. But, truly, to contend for the "reality" of a non-existent "fact" on the basis of "science" is merely scientism and not verifiable, empirical, reproducible dealing with life in the manner alleged to be scientific!... unless one has an accumulation of b******t equivalent to the above levels. I am not sure of the tonnage required at each level ... nor whether it should be metric or empire denotations! Any clues?
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To "feel" an inevitability about being a writer or artist is no less biologic than any other behaviour. So then we come to ranking behaviours on various criteria. The most despicable behaviour being to confront the zeitgest with data, I surmise (or would I have greater validity if I said so I feel?) So, I think it's pretty clear that the excusing of specific behaviours on the grounds of biologic necessity is a functional excuse without basis in genetics or science or psychiatry. People choose to act on impulses. What separates humans from animals is the (alleged) choice of exercising the will over the impulse. (You do know the definition of stress, right?) That consistency seems to be my major problem here. I know, I know (IR loaned me the mindlink!) you are thinking "What a waste! So hobbled! and such a Goblin! I seem to have taken on the role of resident Saruman or Orc when I am actually Gandalf or a Hobbit!
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