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If you are truly interested in the oil for food scandal - you should watch Fox News a bit (since the whole scandal thing seems to be a non-issue on ABC, CNN, and others) - they're having "United Nation: Blood Money". They mention the US companies that also abused the system. it also states Saddams goals of undermining sanctions and having the WMD programs up and running once those were lifted. French sold 2.9 billion worth of goods to Iraq during the abuse and there were documents that even right before the war, France was going to sell Iraq missiles - missiles which would have been used to fire at OUR soldiers. Up until the moment we entered Iraq - there was still a relationship between France and Hussien. There is evidence that France told Hussien that they would do anything to stand in the way of US's efforts to oust him.
Oil-for-Food Scandal Key to CIA Report The UN is corrupt, not just with this, but also the fact that the likes of Iraq and Libya get voted to head commissions which they were KNOWN to be prime abuers of. Come on - Libya voted as head of the human right commission?
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It's actually "C'est la vie" anyway Brownie.
I've been following this thread, though I haven't added much. Is the "Blood for oil" issue a hot topic in this election? I was wondering if both candidates were addressing it in their own plans or anything. Just wondering. It's always interesting to read debates like this, even if you aren't directly involved in the subject.
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excuse my spelling nurv i took spanish in high school
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Okay, interesting posts both of you. I'll just keep lurking now. *sits back to read with a mug of tea and a scone (naturally )
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Nurv - general media won't cover it - because they have basically come out supporting Kerry - even ABC has had a memo released saying that they will be easier on Kerry with facts and stretching the truth than Bush.
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Well Fox News, news that I have seen you argue, god bless their unbiased souls, utterly and obviously support Bush, so perhaps its six of one...ect? Everyone has their sides.
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my original point in all this, which seems to have been subverted a bit, is that companies, and countries, act in their own self-interest, politically and monetarily... many in the UN are corrupt, many in France are corrupt and many in the US are corrupt... is this news to you?? the flipside, is that many in all these places are not Quote:
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Its hard to, mate, given I haven't got time to read a novel..... Now there is such a thing as being saturated in "answers"... Touche?
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now you're not reading my posts!! but honestly, i don't want to get into and argument about something you can read a few posts back... and even QUOTED... i know how busy you are so... to follow the self-interest argument... if it is okay for the US to act in it's own self-interest, even if it goes against the interest of other allied nations, why is it not ok for france or russia to do the same? on the bigger picture... i don't see clinton as "the do nothing wrong president", he missed a lot of opportunities and screwed quite a few things up... that said, unlike gwb, at least he had a few positives under his belt... if i judged president's by only their faults... or countries for that matter, as you seem to love to do... i wouldn't like anybody or anyplace... i try to weigh the good and the bad and make my choice according to that i voted for bush senior because i did not like dukkakis, and because bush was fairly central when it came to the conservative/liberal balance... i voted for clinton twice, because i thought bush senior had lost a lot of credibility over the iran/contra issues and because clinton was also fairly central all told i wanted to vote for mccain, but the choice wasn't there, so i voted gore... though i did not particularly like him... i'll vote kerry too, who i still have a few reservations about... why, because gwb is a joke... and because he is probably the most socially conservative president we have had in decades (maybe ever)... while being one of the biggest spenders in either party's history so if liberal means that i actually think about my vote irregardless of party-affiliation... guilty as charged
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and by the way how the heck can anyone STILL be undecided at this point! these people must have serious need issues if they still cant figure out who to vote for. seems amazing to me...
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I say report the facts impartially and let the people decide. If it's so overwhelming (6 times higher), then I think the people would notice.
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and as far as reporting the "facts impartially" thats ALL he was doing by analyzing EACH instance as he did. are you suggesting you have knowledge that it was anything other then that? im impressed you know so much about this reporter and his sinister motives.
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oh lighten up on me, IRex!
I DID considered your post, and my decision is that one reporter should not decide for everyone. I appreciate how you pointed out "the imperfect nature of the report", and because I believe that people should think and decide for themselves, and given "the imperfect nature of the report", I reached my conclusion. I repeat that I think that they should fairly and impartially report fact twisting. Why do you have it in for me so much? ANd how did I "cut it up" if I quoted your whole paragraph?
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