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Certain people I know (not on Entmoot ) have a really difficult way of communicating things they want by 'hinting', and not asking directly - if you guess wrong, then they get upset at you for not knowing what they were thinking, and if you don't respond because it's not an outright request, they get upset because they think you're ignoring them! Really a lose-lose for everyone. What I've come up with is to just come right out and say "Would you like me to do so-and-so? I'd be glad to", and then if they dither and say "well, I don't know, I don't really need it, but if YOU want to then go ahead", then I say "well, I don't particularly want to, but please let me know if you do, because I'd be glad to do it for you." Also I've talked to them just straight out at other times and said "I know you guys know each other really well and what you all like, but I need a little help - could you please just let me know straight out if you would like something, because it's hard for me to guess, and I certainly want to do things for you, but I can't if I don't know what they are." [/end digression on communication]
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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02-07-2003, 05:41 PM | #462 |
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Any thoughts from other 'Mooters?
Any thoughts from other people on the thread about any of these issues? This is open to anyone
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
02-07-2003, 05:47 PM | #463 |
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Not a "thought" (goodness me, it's been so long! ), but a question:
Out of curiousity, Rian, what's next on your list of questions?
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02-07-2003, 06:24 PM | #464 |
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*gets out long list of notes from this thread*
*copies will be made available for a small fee * *except no one but me would be able to read it, because it's such sloppy handwriting!* Well, I wanted to start out with a closing statement on strong/weak omnipotence, then I was going to address something Coney brought up on both this thread and the homosexuality thread re: the "really, really bad" person that becomes a Christian (but just in terms of 'saving' him/herself, not true repentence and belief). But I think I might shelf the omni stuff for now and deal with the Genesis thing to a certain extent, because someone else asked about it, too, and actually someone else via PM has asked me a similar question. And I might try to deal with the really, really bad person thing at the same time; I don't know yet... Also, I've been thinking about bringing up something that is related to the speed (or lack thereof ) with which I answer people's questions, and I've decided to go ahead and mention it. I typically say at the beginning of a thread that if people are looking for answers from me, specifically, that they will probably have to be patient, because I can't answer as fast as I would like to, due to having 3 small kids, which takes up a lot of time. It certainly does, but there is another factor involved which I haven't mentioned until now. God has seen fit, in his infinite wisdom and love, to allow me to have a chronic illness that puts me in varying degrees of fatigue and pain throughout the day. It's not contagious or lethal, it just gives me varying levels of daily fatigue and pain. I usually have to get up at night at least several times a month to lie down on a hard floor, because the counterpressure from the floor helps to take away some of the pain. I look very normal, and I'm used to getting around with fatigue and pain, and it's by no means always really bad - however, it is present daily and it does force me to rest more than I would like to. So that's just another reason why my outgoing posts often don't come as fast as the incoming questions I'm not asking for pity or anything, I just want to explain that because I love God and care a lot for people, I REALLY want to answer people's questions as best as I can, but I absolutely cannot get to them as fast as I would like to. But I DO want to get to them, and that's why I took the trouble and time to go thru the entire thread and jot down notes and put little stars by people's posts, etc. And if I forget anyone's questions, and they would like to specifically hear from me, then PLEASE don't hesitate to remind me - I would really appreciate it. And, BTW, I can see many good things that God has taught me through having this illness that I otherwise wouldn't have learned very well, such as patience in trials, compassion for hurting people, trust in God's power to fill in where I am weak, etc. A physical illness like this is a hard teacher, but we often learn the best from our hardest teachers, and I know that the One who assigns the teachers is loving and wise (although I DO NOT like this teacher!! but I love and trust God) Anyway, that's kind of where I was heading on this thread in terms of questions, Gwaimir.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
02-07-2003, 06:29 PM | #465 |
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I have to go pick up the kids now, but I should be able to get in one of my typical 'long-winded' opening posts on the Genesis subject in a few hours.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
02-07-2003, 07:02 PM | #466 |
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I'm very, very sorry to hear that, Rian. I will pray about your health problem. But let me say that I don't believe that God gave you sickness. I believe that illness, pain, infirmity, and everything like that comes from Satan, not God. But whatsoever that Satan intends for Evil, God can use for Good, especially teaching us lessons like that. But let me say again that I will pray for you.
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Oh, I completely agree with you, Gwaimir, that God did not give me this sickness, and that's why I said "allow", not "give". Cf. Paul's illness mentioned in 2 Corinthians 12:7-10. In IOW, Satan may give us illnesses, etc., but only as far as God allows it, because He can work something in our character, that makes us more Christlike, that is a FAR GREATER GOOD than the sickness or whatever is bad.
And thanks for your prayers - isn't it great that we can uphold each other in prayer w/o even having met face-to-face!
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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Just to clear up a minor point, in case you missed it in my earlier post, I stand by what I said on the voices thread, that God would never tell her to do anything harmful to herself or others. I believe that to be true. Please note that I was talking directly to the thread starter. I was NOT making a statement to defend at a formal debate or saying that it applied to everyone. Quote:
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---------------------------------------------------------------------- And just a quick answer to one of your questions - Re Genesis 22:1, do you mean answer 'yes' or 'no' to the question "do I believe that this statement is true?" If so, then I would answer 'yes'. Please let me know if that is NOT what you mean.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 02-07-2003 at 10:52 PM. |
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I posted an excellent interpertation on the Akedah issue on the homosexuality thread (no I didn't make it up ). It's long, and the textual proofs are not the simplest (and I don't have a tanach next to me, so I can't provide the textual proofs verbatim) but...
The goal of God telling Abraham to sacrifice Isaac is for Abraham to acknowledge an aspect of God he was as uncomfortable with as legitimate and necessary. Abraham is a loving, caring merciful person, but God is not into loving and caring-at least not without order and law. That's what creates justice-laws tempered with a trully caring morality. Abraham had 2 sons-Ishmael had the more caring loving side (just like his father), which when taken to extremes leads to some bad stuff (in Judaism the extremes of "loving-kindness" is called Satan, though its implications are not idenitcal). Isaac had the law side of things-note the text right Abraham really likes Ishmael. But God, being God, (or not according to some) knows Isaac must carry on Abraham's legacy-Ishmael leans a little to close to "Satan." God orders Abraham to kill Isaac, which Abraham does willingly-each side wants to eliminate the other. God wants them to reach a balance. Abraham learns this balance on the way to the mountain, he now appreciates law-but cannot disobey God, because he is Abraham, in fact even after God stopped him from killing him he still wanted to cut, out of fear that he wouldn't fufill his duty. In the end Abraham passes the test-he accepts both parts of God's character as legitimate and necessary, and Isaac as his proper heir.
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Thats an interesting interpretation... Just as a sidenote, the only attribute of God ever repeated three times in the Bible is "holy". In the Bible, it never says God is "loving, loving, loving" or "faithful, faithful, faithful", but "holy, holy holy"
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I have a question.
What is your view on Joseph Smith??
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While this is not exactly along the thread of this conversation, it does have to do with religion, and is an offshoot of a comment in the new quote thread started by Afro-Elf. Someone said that they liked a particular quote because no one s/he knew in a religion could get around the logic of it. To me, at least, not everything is logical, least of all beliefs, whether they are theistic or not.
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I really enjoy hearing your POV, markedel, because I don't know any rabbis that I can talk to. I've never heard what you said before about that passage, and I'm glad you brought it up. Now my POV on that passage, as a Christian, will be a little different from yours, but I'm going to wait until Monday to get into it, since I like to honor the 4th commandment, and although posting here is very enjoyable and interesting, it IS work! BTW, I would be really honored if your rabbi would look at the posts that I did on Christianity and the law. If you wouldn't mind, would you ask him, with my respects, for his opinion on what I wrote? Here's a link to the posts that I mean: markedel's post, my post #1, and my post #2 And tell him please that it is from someone who knows and loves the Shema: "Hear, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one! And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might." PS - Hi, Starr - welcome back
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 02-09-2003 at 02:39 AM. |
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I'm SO glad I asked you that, Andúril, because I really thought that you were being sarcastic in your earlier post *wags finger in playful scolding manner* - you know, young man, you ARE sarcastic quite often I'm so sorry I misinterpreted you, and very glad that you set me straight. Thank you
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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Just some comments on one of your posts in answer to my PM, Andúril, then the rest will have to wait until Monday.
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"Order and law are part of love. Contrary to what you might think, love in it's truest form is not passive, but an active force; love is the reason behind the law, because without law there is (personal) anarchy, and anarchy is harmful-which isn't what love wants for it's object."
Of course the extreme of law is called "Amalek" in Jewish theology-and Jews are commanded to eliminate such ideas.
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