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Heh, looks like you can't escape the hotseat Ñólendil, but I'm glad - your posts are very interesting.
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If the world has indeed, as I have said, been built of sorrow, it has been built by the hands of love, because in no other way could the soul of man, for whom the world was made, reach the full stature of its perfection. ~Oscar Wilde, written from prison Oscar Wilde's last words: "Either the wallpaper goes, or I do." Last edited by Lief Erikson : 11-08-2004 at 04:00 AM. |
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If the world has indeed, as I have said, been built of sorrow, it has been built by the hands of love, because in no other way could the soul of man, for whom the world was made, reach the full stature of its perfection. ~Oscar Wilde, written from prison Oscar Wilde's last words: "Either the wallpaper goes, or I do." |
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11-08-2004, 10:49 AM | #466 |
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BOP - why don't you go ahead - I think Finrod is just too busy with his tour! It's been 2 days - the hot seat is growing cold!
Finrod, we'll catch you on another go-round, but please join in with questions
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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The hot seat bis growing cold! We need you BoP!
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11-08-2004, 01:58 PM | #468 |
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I apologize, I thought no one was gonna be on until Monday, so I figured I'd work on my statements...We've got a TV interview in an hour, but as soon as I'm back, I'll post...
Sorry for the confusion.
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11-08-2004, 04:04 PM | #469 |
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*gives Finrod a kick in the shins* Hurry up already!
I've got my intro all ready to go if FF pikes again.
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11-08-2004, 07:07 PM | #470 |
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BOP, since you seem eager, go for it, But I'm ready to be next!
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11-08-2004, 07:30 PM | #471 |
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Weeell, if you're sure....
What do I believe? Sometimes, I don't really know, myself. I waver between agnosticism, and strong atheism, depending on my mood. I am a strong proponent for the Theory of Evolution, and I'm not really sure how life started on Earth. I don't think it was divine in origin, though I don't want to completely write anything off. I tend to be "scientific" in my approach to my world-view, and I am fairly certain that if there's more to life than biology, IF there's a divine aspect, that it's not the christian one. As far as I am concerned, the Christian god is a construct invented by historic humans to explain their world, and surroundings from a historic POV. In terms of the evolution side of thngs, I believe that while there are aspects of the evolutionary theory that need to be further ironed out, the evidence is firm for hominids evolving from a common ancestor with the apes. My interest in this subject matter were such that I spent my time as an undergraduate undertaking a degree in Anthropology, specialising in pre-historic archaeology and biological anthropology. I still have an on-going interesting in bio-archaeology/ paleo-zooarchaeology, and primatology/hominid evolution. To me, these ancestors of ours were REAL, and they are related. It's hard to argue against it when you've personally handled the evidence, and looked at skulls of these "primitive" beings. I look around me, and the evidence is everywhere that evolution is a REAL process. Ultimately, however, evolution is just a theory to explain the development of life here on Earth. It doesn't explain the origins of life, and that's where I waver on my hard-line atheist stance. It is at this point that I don't want to completely write-off a divine origin - though not a christian one. <edit> Some other brief thoughts: humans are animals, albeit complicated ones, and morality is a humanly determined construct, and tends to be relativistic with some underlying commonality. Well, that's enough for starters....
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 11-08-2004 at 07:55 PM. |
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Prominent Fossils Fossil Hominids These show a CLEAR progression, rather than evidence of mal-adaptation. The evidence of nutritional deficiency, or even vitamin E deficiency which plagued a lot of H. erectus (rickets) populations after their migration into Europe is vastly different from the "normal" hominid fossilised remains.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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Why do I think that if there IS a God(s) that it isn't a personification of "man"? Because I find the notion vaguely silly, and arrogant. There's a whole universe out there, and the notion that that universe would choose to personify itself as a Man is, to me, ridiculously earthocentric. Reminds me of when people used to think everything revolves around the earth.
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IF there was a god that created humans with the intent of interacting with them, would you say it makes sense for humans to be somewhat like the god? (and this isn't a "gotcha! Now you believe Christianity!" It's just a reasonable question, IMO)
Another tack - who are some of your favorite people and why? (well, I guess that's a repeat question, but I like to ask it )
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 11-09-2004 at 12:21 AM. |
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Is there any aspect of Christianity or any other religion that you believe?
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What do you think happens to you when you die?
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