05-04-2003, 04:36 PM | #461 |
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I would like to point out that Frodo was not, in fact, an "everyman". He was a very wealthy Hobbit, belonging to an old and respected family, and also quite a scholar and loremaster. How many Hobbits know even a smidgeon of Elvish?
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05-04-2003, 07:05 PM | #462 |
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(just to throw a little fuel on the fire.... )
While doing my paperwork, I popped on the director's commentary, and while I missed some of it (during particularly exciting moments with the checkbook), I really didn't hear PJ talk about improving, just enhancing. However, I DID get the following from Philippa, during Boromir's death scene (at 1:26:30) - "I think this moment is better than the moment in the book" ..."and I do think it was a failing of Professor Tolkien's" (talking about how the movie, in her opinion, had improved the "emotional content and connection" between Aragorn and Boromir). *flees the thread*
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05-04-2003, 07:26 PM | #463 |
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Well....I agree! Boromir's death is better in the movie! Sue me! Why is it such blasphemy to like a scene better. No insult to Tolikien intended! My goodness, he wrote the whole fantastical kit and kaboodle! The ME mythology is more pleasurable than art class, and more complex than chemistry. I think a scene that is better is not a threat! What a big deal! (as my grandmother would say )
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05-04-2003, 07:38 PM | #464 | |
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Many believe that while Frodo was the everyman character in FOTR, the readers begin to identify more with Sam as Frodo becomes increasingly burdened by the ring. |
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05-04-2003, 07:52 PM | #465 |
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I do agree with that (in regards to the book, as Sam didn't really become the "empathee" until ROTK, in my opinion).
Liz: Tisn't blasphemy to think it's better. I just don't. I'm sure Rian posted that in regards to the discussion of whether or not PJ (and Co.) think that they have improved upon Tolkien. Which I personally don' think is possible and other people I know don't think has been done.
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I really liked that scene in the movie, BTW - it didn't seem out of character for either guy. I thought the book was great, too, in that part. I miss the laments over Boromir, tho.
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05-04-2003, 08:16 PM | #467 |
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Ditto. (in regards to everything, except throwing the quote in there )
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If Jackson can find the time to make pointless scenes like that, then he has no excuse to say, "Well, I couldn't make room for Tom Bombadil, etc."
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I'd just like to get out of the way that I have as much sympathy for BB as I do for anybody. We have definite similarities in our *cough* insufferable styles. But still, I think it clearly illustrates Breathalizers attempts to obfuscate (which is a big word that means 'hide') his lack of a good answer by using cute stuff. Quote:
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That's all I can say to someone who would claim the above characters are suitable replacements for the strength that has been stolen from frodo. Again and again, BlackBreathalizer, you will make a weak defense and then try to pass it off as something strong. Your tactic is a complete and utter failure. I liked the films enough to watch them several times over, but the more I do the more uncomfortable I become with them. The fact is that this is another crappy jackson B-movie with a thin veneer of Tolkien glossed over it.
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Lol, good one, GW!
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No offense to Wayfarer, of course. I just couldn't resist...
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You do realize the exact same thought crossed my mind when I was writing that, don't you?
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I figured it would.
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I don't know why I'm putting it in this thread, but oh well.
http://www.john-howe.com/portfolio/g...p?image_id=334 I find it interesting that Frodo showing the Ring to the Nazgul has been there since the begining. I love where it says, 'There is a hint to this in The Two Towers'. There's more then a hint.
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I'm ridiculously behind in reading this thread, and I don't think I'll ever catch up (let alone respond to all of this), and it seems like this has degenerated into yet another debate of the same points over and over and over... but BB, if you need some help, just blow the Horn of Gondor. Even though I wouldn't stretch some of the finer points quite as far as you're taking them.
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