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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 12-18-2003 at 09:34 PM. |
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12-18-2003, 08:51 PM | #464 |
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OK, thanks Arien! No rush
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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Then why would Paul not say the same words? IMO, it was because that was what was expected of women. That daughters could be sold to pay debts, against her wishes, etc. To yield to another's will/wishes is like saying if the husband says, "I think you have an obsession with Tolkien, it takes your time away from me, and I don't want you to read his books or discuss Tolkien's stories with anyone anymore," then the wife is supposed to yield to that decision. That is what submission means. That is the definition. And I've actually heard this sort of thing go on in Christian marriages. Quote:
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BUt anyway, I'd be glad to discuss submission, but not now - I have Arty's question to talk about first (NOTE - here I have evaluated what I think is right and decided to NOT submit to your wish to talk in detail about submission now) Quote:
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 12-18-2003 at 09:36 PM. |
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I'm off, guys! I'll let you know what I think of ROTK tomorrow
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 12-18-2003 at 09:38 PM. |
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12-18-2003, 09:38 PM | #469 |
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LOL, Rian. I know what you mean... its amazing that a movie could be loved so much by so many people it managed to insult. Grrr, now I'm in the mood to slap it into the DVD player.
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12-18-2003, 09:48 PM | #470 |
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(BTW, Ruinel, it's submission in the case of my being willing to answer your response in the Gay/Les thread, because I don't particularly WANT to answer. I am putting aside MY wants and giving preference to YOURS, in this case, because I think it is the better choice in this case.)
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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Nope. Mary is, needless to say, not the same as Christ. He was sacrificed for our sins; she was not. It was absolutely imperative that he be absolutely sinless; it was not so for her. Also, I think there could be a deal of difference between preserving someone else from original sin, and preserving oneself from original sin. Another thing: Does it not make sense that God, as the creator of the law would fulfill it perfectly? And would not this include "Honour thy father and mother"?
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To Guillaume's point about those non-Catholics here who are aware of some finer points of Catholicism: I actually didn't know until fairly recently just what "Immaculate Conception" really meant. I think I first found out a few years ago when I saw some information about a movement within the Catholic Church to name Mary as "co-redemtrix" or something like that. So - you Catholic 'mooters - I'm curious about your thoughts on this. And also curious to know how you would react if you're opposed to it (as I gather about Gwaimir from his opening sentence above), but it becomes accepted as church doctrine. Otherwise, since becoming a Christian at 15, I've just tried to educate myself a little about what my own church believes - and what other churches believe in comparison to that. |
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I pass all comments to Dean Swift: Gulliver's experiences with the Lilliputians.( no references to anyone here implied, of course)
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BTW... I was not telling you to submit to my wishes for you to answer. You had said in your last post that you no longer wanted to discuss in that thread. It was only to inform you that I had responded to your post. Your decision to respond was your alone. I only wish for you to do what you want to do. |
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