09-23-2008, 01:29 PM | #461 |
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Last I checked marriage does not necessarily equal having children. Faulty reasoning.
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09-23-2008, 06:26 PM | #462 |
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Interesting opinion, although an overly romantic view on marriage IMO, although I suppose that comes with his territory. But marrying just to have kids seem to vastly oversimplify the motives of would-be-married-people.
I wonder if the writer realised that his text also seems to imply he is against adoption, single parents and widows or widowers with children. I also can't quite understand from the article why he is against marriage between homosexuals in the first place. Because marriage is oh-so-special and couples who are not biologically capable of getting children on their own shouldn't get any? Hmm, I dunno...
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09-24-2008, 05:38 PM | #463 | |
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09-24-2008, 11:16 PM | #464 |
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Ahh, GW, there is evidence on this thread that suggests the contrary to your assumption! About Philosophy 101, I mean.
But of course this liberal chappie writing the opinion wants to try to retain his liberal credentials (I mean, he self identifies as such but runs contra the accepted, politically correct, platform, anarchist view of individual "rights" that are the "bedrock" of his fellow party members - who earn the historical application of that term by their "inclusivity" to those who break ranks and think rather than swallow the party line), thus he must attribute the appearance of thought to a liberal. To have quoted a "conservative" philosopher would get him first against the wall when the liberal, inclusive, politically correct platformists attain power, or at least cut him out of the loop for the next run when they fail in this one. Poor chap! I do hope they sharpen the guillotine blade! But probably not for there is no fascist quite like a liberal one, and a liberal mob is genuinely unthinking and fascist and likes to discard its opponents however it chooses to view them at the moment.
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09-24-2008, 11:34 PM | #465 |
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Inked, my pet.
You're maundering, dear. I know you are not sincerely confused about anarchist/libertarian ends of the spectrum, and the merry hay they play with all political perspectives. I shall assume you're just amusing yourself.
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09-25-2008, 05:13 PM | #466 |
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Though I do not feel that gay marriage is right, I will not force others to stop. It does not hurt anyone, but it is wrong. All men and women need the opposite sex to fullfill their person. Be that God, or a spouse, that is how we were made.
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Love between two people of any sexes or genders should be celebrated, not condemned. As such, marriage between any sexes and genders should definitely be permitted.
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10-02-2008, 07:05 PM | #469 |
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See, BJ, I knew you'd eventually recognize the choice aspect and reject determinism- either created or "genetic" or societal.
Sure took you long enough, though!
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10-02-2008, 10:53 PM | #470 |
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I've always said that sexuality is a choice.
Naturally we are bisexual, but we "choose" to be hetero or homo due to both genetic and social influences. And ultimately, it is deterministic (we don't control anything), but it is still fine to call it choice because that's what it is from our point of view. A behavior that is too complicated for us to trace. Determinism that humans can't figure out is exactly what the perception of choice is.
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10-02-2008, 11:04 PM | #471 |
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I'm a determinist too, but I still use words like choice in day to day life. Choice is having a number of different paths to go down and picking on (by some determined process).
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10-04-2008, 02:21 AM | #474 |
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But not gender?
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10-04-2008, 04:32 AM | #475 |
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You mean, since we call god things like "the lord" and "the father"?
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10-04-2008, 09:31 AM | #476 |
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All things are contained within God necessarily, therefore "gender" is as well but one must apprehend that since we cannot comprehend God He is not limited to our modes of expression or understanding.
That brings us to the uses of language and the nature of understanding and the nature of God, anthropologically derived or revealed. But I suspect we should have that conversation on the theology thread....
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10-04-2008, 04:46 PM | #477 |
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God transcends gender. While God is generally referred to using masculine forms, He is sometimes also referred to using feminine forms (A mother hen gathering her chicks under her wings, St. Anselm and Julian of Norwich).
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10-05-2008, 10:24 AM | #478 |
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Cool
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10-05-2008, 10:25 AM | #479 |
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In the interest of fairness...
I think we should pray twice... once using the masculine form and once using the feminine
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It is generally the Second Person of the Trinity who is described in maternal terms.
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