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Quite possibly, though I doubt it.
My husband had been in the middle of reading The Silmarillion - to be more correct, he finished listening to it on audiobook. This gem came to me in a text after he finished mowing one day, followed by instructions to "read it in my epic voice".
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Y_u/_n_w/_h_t/_e/_a_/a/_a_e/_p_r_/,/
_n_/w_s/_d_u_g_d/_o/_h_/F_r_t_o_n/_h_/d_e/_o_/;/ _e_/t_i_/a_s_/i_/h_s/_o_m/ _h_t/_e/_a_/n_v_r/_e_u_n/_g_i_/t_/m_r_a_/l_n_s/./ W_e_e_s/_o_/a_d/_o_r/_e_p_e/_r_/n_t/_f/_h_/F_r_t_o_n/,/ b_t/_r_/m_r_a_/M_n/_s/_l_v_t_r/_a_e/_o_/./ _e_/i_/s_e_s/_h_t/_o_/d_s_r_/n_w/_o/_a_e/_h_/g_o_/o_/b_t_/k_n_r_d_/,/ _o/_a_l/_o/V_l_n_r/_h_n/_o_/w_l_/,/ _n_/t_/r_t_r_/w_e_/y_u/_l_a_e/_o/_o_r/_o_e_/./_h_t/_a_n_t/_e/./ N_r/_a_/t_e/_a_a_/t_k_/a_a_/t_e/_i_t_/o_/I_u_a_a_/./ _h_/E_d_/,/_o_/s_y/,/a_e/_n_u_i_h_d/,/ a_d/_v_n/_h_s_/w_o/_e_e_l_d/_o/_o_/d_e/./ Y_t/_h_t/_s/_o/_h_m/_e_t_e_/r_w_r_/n_r/_u_i_h_e_t/,/ b_t/_h_/_u_f_l_e_t/_f/_h_i_/b_i_g/./ T_e_/c_n_o_/e_c_p_/,/_n_/a_e/_o_n_/t_/t_i_/w_r_d/,/ n_v_r/_o/_e_v_/i_/s_/l_n_/a_/i_/l_s_s/,/f_r/_t_/l_f_/i_/t_e_r_/./ _n_/y_u/_r_/p_n_s_e_/f_r/_h_/r_b_l_i_n/_f/_e_/,/_o_/s_y/,/ i_/w_i_h/_o_/h_d/_/s_a_l/_a_t/,/a_d/_o/_t/_s/_h_t/_o_/d_e/./ B_t/_h_t/_a_/n_t/_t/_i_s_/a_p_i_t_d/_o_/a/_u_i_h_e_t/./ T_u_/y_u/_s_a_e/,/a_d/_e_v_/t_e/_o_l_/,/ _n_/a_e/_o_/b_u_d/_o/i_/,/_n/_o_e/_r/_n/_e_r_n_s_/./ _h_c_/o_/u_/t_e_e_o_e/_h_u_d/_n_y/_h_/o_h_r_/?/ Oh, and Midge... I'm a girl.
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Okay, then.
Like I said, the only way to know is to ask. You know that he had a/_a_e/_p_r_/,/and was /_d_u_g_d/to the Firstborn who die not; Yet this also is his doom that he may never return again to mortal lands. Whereas you and your people are not of the Firstborn, but are mortal Man as Iluvatar made you. Yet it seems that you desert now to make the good of both kindreds, to sail to Valinor when you will,and to return when you /_l_a_e/_o/_o_r/_o_e_/./_h_t/_a_n_t/_e/./ Nor was the /_a_a_/take away the /_i_t_/of Iluvatar. _h_/E_d_/,/_o_/s_y/,/ are/_n_u_i_h_d/,/and even those who /_e_e_l_d/_o/_o_/d_e/./Yet that is to them /_e_t_e_/reward nor/_u_i_h_e_t/,/b_t/_h_/_u_f_l_e_t/_f/_h_i_/bring. They cannot escape, and are bound to this world, never to leave it so land an is loses, for /_t_/ life is /t_e_r_/./And you are /p_n_s_e_/for the /r_b_l_i_n/of/_e_/,/_o_/s_y/,/ i_/w_i_h/_o_/h_d/_/s_a_l/_a_t/,/a_d/_o/_t/_s/_h_t/_o_/d_e/./B_t/_h_t/_a_/n_t/ _t/_i_s_/a_p_i_t_d/_o_/a/_u_i_h_e_t/./T_u_/y_u/_s_a_e/,/a_d/_e_v_/t_e/_o_l_/,/ _n_/a_e/_o_/b_u_d/_o/i_/,/_n/_o_e/_r/_n/_e_r_n_s_/./_h_c_/o_/u_/t_e_e_o_e/ _h_u_d/_n_y/_h_/o_h_r_/?/
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Bold words are incorrect:
You know that he had a/_a_e/_p_r_/,/and was /_d_u_g_d/to the Firstborn who die not; Yet this also is his doom that he may never return again to mortal lands. Whereas you and your people are not of the Firstborn, but are mortal Man as Iluvatar made you. Yet it seems that you desert now to make the good of both kindreds, to sail to Valinor when you will,and to return when you /_l_a_e/_o/_o_r/_o_e_/./_h_t/_a_n_t/_e/./ Nor was the /_a_a_/take away the /_i_t_/of Iluvatar. _h_/E_d_/,/_o_/s_y/,/ are/_n_u_i_h_d/,/and even those who /_e_e_l_d/_o/_o_/d_e/./Yet that is to them /_e_t_e_/reward nor/_u_i_h_e_t/,/b_t/_h_/_u_f_l_e_t/_f/_h_i_/bring. They cannot escape, and are bound to this world, never to leave it so land an is loses, for /_t_/life is /t_e_r_/./And you are /p_n_s_e_/for the/r_b_l_i_n/of/_e_/,/_o_/s_y/,/ i_/w_i_h/_o_/h_d/_/s_a_l/_a_t/,/a_d/_o/_t/_s/_h_t/_o_/d_e/./B_t/_h_t/_a_/n_t/ _t/_i_s_/a_p_i_t_d/_o_/a/_u_i_h_e_t/./T_u_/y_u/_s_a_e/,/a_d/_e_v_/t_e/_o_l_/,/ _n_/a_e/_o_/b_u_d/_o/i_/,/_n/_o_e/_r/_n/_e_r_n_s_/./_h_c_/o_/u_/t_e_e_o_e/ _h_u_d/_n_y/_h_/o_h_r_/?/
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"You know that he was a /_a_e/_p_r_/,
and was adjudged to the Firstborn who die not; Yet this also is his doom that he can never return again to mortal lands. Whereas you and your people are not of the Firstborn, but are mortal Men as Iluvatar made you. Yet it seems that you desire now to have the good of both kindreds, to sail to Valinor when you will, and to return when you please to your homes. That cannot be. Nor can the Valar take away the gifts of Iluvatar. The Elves, you say, are unpunished, and even those who rebelled do not die. Yet that is to them neither reward nor punishment, but the fulfillment of their being. They cannot escape, and are bound to this world, never to leave it so long as it lasts, for its life is theirs. And you are punished for the rebellion of Men, you say, in which you had a small part, and so it is that you die. But that was not at first appointed for a punishment. Thus you /_s_a_e/, and leave the world, and are not bound to it, in /_o_e/ or in /_e_r_n_s_/. Which of us therefore should envy the other?"
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Only a couple incorrect:
"You know that he was a /_a_e/_p_r_/, and was adjudged to the Firstborn who die not; Yet this also is his doom that he can never return again to mortal lands. Whereas you and your people are not of the Firstborn, but are mortal Men as Iluvatar made you. Yet it seems that you desire now to have the good of both kindreds, to sail to Valinor when you will, and to return when you please to your homes. That cannot be. Nor can the Valar take away the gifts of Iluvatar. The Elves*, you say, are unpunished, and even those who rebelled do not die. Yet that is to them neither reward nor punishment, but the fulfillment of their being. They cannot escape, and are bound to this world, never to leave it so long as it lasts, for its life is theirs. And you are punished for the rebellion of Men, you say, in which you had a small part, and so it is that you die. But that was not at first appointed for a punishment. Thus you /_s_a_e/, and leave the world, and are not bound to it, in /_o_e/ or in /_e_r_n_s_/. Which of us therefore should envy the other?" *This one is my fault - I missed a letter. In the original, it should read E_d_r... and you're missing the last letter at the end of 'other', Val.
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"You know that he has a fate apart,
and was adjudged to the Firstborn who die not; Yet this also is his doom that he can never return again to mortal lands. Whereas you and your people are not of the Firstborn, but are mortal Men as Iluvatar made you. Yet it seems that you desire now to have the good of both kindreds, to sail to Valinor when you will, and to return when you please to your homes. That cannot be. Nor can the Valar take away the gifts of Iluvatar. The Eldar, you say, are unpunished, and even those who rebelled do not die. Yet that is to them neither reward nor punishment, but the fulfillment of their being. They cannot escape, and are bound to this world, never to leave it so long as it lasts, for its life is theirs. And you are punished for the rebellion of Men, you say, in which you had a small part, and so it is that you die. But that was not at first appointed for a punishment. Thus you /_s_a_e/, and leave the world, and are not bound to it, in hope or in /_e_r_n_s_/. Which of us therefore should envy the others?" Was this spoken by anonymous Elven messengers? To the King of Numenor?
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Yes, this is from the messengers Manwe sends to the King. Count, your addition is correct as well!
That means there's only one word left... this went much faster than I thought it would...
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"You know that he has a fate apart,
and was adjudged to the Firstborn who die not; Yet this also is his doom that he can never return again to mortal lands. Whereas you and your people are not of the Firstborn, but are mortal Men as Iluvatar made you. Yet it seems that you desire now to have the good of both kindreds, to sail to Valinor when you will, and to return when you please to your homes. That cannot be. Nor can the Valar take away the gifts of Iluvatar. The Eldar, you say, are unpunished, and even those who rebelled do not die. Yet that is to them neither reward nor punishment, but the fulfillment of their being. They cannot escape, and are bound to this world, never to leave it so long as it lasts, for its life is theirs. And you are punished for the rebellion of Men, you say, in which you had a small part, and so it is that you die. But that was not at first appointed for a punishment. Thus you escape, and leave the world, and are not bound to it, in hope or in weariness. Which of us therefore should envy the others?"
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Sums up the natures of immortality and death so beautifully, doesn't it?
'Weariness' was indeed the missing word. Midge, you're turn!
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AWESOME... Yeah, I don't have my books with me.
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"/'/_n_/l_s_e_/,/G_n_a_f/,/_y/_l_/f_i_n_/a_d/_e_p_r/!'/_e/_a_d/,/_o_i_g/_e_r/
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And lesser, Gandalf, my elf (sly?) friend and keeper! be we,? ?
and speaking now in a ? voice. I said we, for we it can be, if you will join with me. A new Power is rising. Against it the elf ? and
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"'And/l_s_e_/, Gandalf, my/_l_/friend and/_e_p_r/!'/_e/_a_d/,/_o_i_g/_e_r/ and speaking now in a/s_f_e_/voice. 'I said we, for we it/_a_/be, if you will join with me. A new Power is rising. Against it the /_l_/a_l_e_/and/ _o_i_i_s/_i_l/_o_/a_a_l/_s/_t/_l_/./T_e_e/_s/_o/_o_e/_e_t/_n/_l_e_/o_/d_i_g/ _u_e_o_/./T_i_/t_e_/i_/o_e/_h_i_e/_e_o_e/_o_/,/b_f_r_/u_/./W_/m_y/_o_n/_i_h/ _h_t/_o_e_/./I_/w_u_d/_e/_i_e/,/_a_d_l_/./T_e_e/_s/_o_e/_h_t/_a_/./I_s/_i_t_r_/ i_/a_/h_n_/;/a_d/_h_r_/w_l_/b_/r_c_/r_w_r_/f_r/_h_s_/t_a_/a_d_d/_t/./_s/_h_/ P_w_r/_r_w_/,/i_s/_r_v_d/_r_e_d_/w_l_/a_s_/g_o_/;/a_d/_h_/W_s_/,/s_c_/a_/y_u/ _n_/I/,/_a_/w_t_/p_t_e_c_/c_m_/a_/l_s_/t_/d_r_c_/i_s/_o_r_e_/,/t_/c_n_r_l/_t/./ _e/_a_/b_d_/o_r/_i_e/,/_e/_a_/k_e_/o_t/_h_u_h_s/_n/_u_/h_a_t_/,/d_p_o_i_g/ _a_b_/e_i_s/_o_e/_y/_h_/w_y/,/_u_/a_p_o_i_g/_h_/h_g_/a_d/_l_i_a_e/_u_p_s_/:/ K_o_l_d_e/,/_u_e/,/_r_e_/;/a_l/_h_/t_i_g_/t_a_/w_/h_v_/s_/f_r/_t_i_e_/i_/v_i_/ t_/a_c_m_l_s_/,/h_n_e_e_/r_t_e_/t_a_/h_l_e_/b_/o_r/_e_k/_r/_d_e/_r_e_d_/./ _h_r_/n_e_/n_t/_e/,/_h_r_/w_u_d/_o_/b_/,/a_y/_e_l/_h_n_e/_n/_u_/d_s_g_s/,/ _n_y/_n/_u_/m_a_s/.'/"
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"'And listen, Gandalf, my old friend and helpter!' he said,
coming near and speaking now in a softer voice. 'I said we, for we it can be, if you will join with me. A new Power is rising. Against it the old allies and /_o_i_i_s/_i_l/_o_/a_a_l/_s/_t/_l_/. /T_e_e/_s/_o/_o_e/_e_t/_n/_l_e_/o_/d_i_g/_u_e_o_/. /T_i_/t_e_/i_/o_e/_h_i_e/_e_o_e/_o_/,/b_f_r_/u_/. /W_/m_y/_o_n/_i_h/_h_t/_o_e_/./I_/w_u_d/_e/_i_e/,/_a_d_l_/. /T_e_e/_s/_o_e/_h_t/_a_/./I_s/_i_t_r_/i_/a_/h_n_/; /a_d/_h_r_/w_l_/b_/r_c_/r_w_r_/f_r/_h_s_/t_a_/a_d_d/_t/. /_s/_h_/P_w_r/_r_w_/,/i_s/_r_v_d/_r_e_d_/w_l_/a_s_/g_o_/; /a_d/_h_/W_s_/,/s_c_/a_/y_u/_n_/I/, /_a_/w_t_/p_t_e_c_/c_m_/a_/l_s_/t_/d_r_c_/i_s/_o_r_e_/, /t_/c_n_r_l/_t/./_e/_a_/b_d_/o_r/_i_e/, /_e/_a_/k_e_/o_t/_h_u_h_s/_n/_u_/h_a_t_/, /d_p_o_i_g/_a_b_/e_i_s/_o_e/_y/_h_/w_y/, /_u_/a_p_o_i_g/_h_/h_g_/a_d/_l_i_a_e/_u_p_s_/: /K_o_l_d_e/,/_u_e/,/_r_e_/; /a_l/_h_/t_i_g_/t_a_/w_/h_v_/s_/f_r/_t_i_e_/i_/v_i_/t_/a_c_m_l_s_/, /h_n_e_e_/r_t_e_/t_a_/h_l_e_/b_/o_r/_e_k/_r/_d_e/_r_e_d_/. /_h_r_/n_e_/n_t/_e/,/_h_r_/w_u_d/_o_/b_/, /a_y/_e_l/_h_n_e/_n/_u_/d_s_g_s/,/_n_y/_n/_u_/m_a_s/.'/" Argh... no time right now. Speaker: Gandalf (recounting the words of someone else, I should say)
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04-19-2011, 03:12 PM | #478 |
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I think "helpter" is just "helper"
"will not avail us at all"
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04-19-2011, 03:37 PM | #479 |
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"'And listen, Gandalf, my old friend and helper!' he said,
coming near and speaking now in a softer voice. 'I said we, for we it can be, if you will join with me. A new Power is rising. Against it the old allies and /_o_i_i_s/will not avail us at all. There is no/_o_e/_e_t/_n/_l_e_/o_/d_i_g/_u_e_o_/. This then is one/_h_i_e/before you, before us. We may soon/_i_h/_h_t/_o_e_/./It would be/_i_e/,Gandalf. [...]
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04-19-2011, 06:39 PM | #480 |
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"'And listen, Gandalf, my old friend and helpter!' he said,
coming near and speaking now in a softer voice. 'I said we, for we it can be, if you will join with me. A new Power is rising. Against it the old allies and dominions will not avail us at all. There is no more /_e_t/ in /_l_e_/o_/ doing /_u_e_o_/. This then is one choice before you, before us. We may soon wish that /_o_e_/./It would be wise,Gandalf. There is more that way. Its victory is at hand; and there will be rich reward for those that aided it. As the Power grows, its (proved?) friends will also grow; and the Wise, such as you and I, may with patience come at last to direct its course, to control it. We may bide our time, we may keep (our?) thoughts in our hearts, /d_p_o_i_g/_a_b_/e_i_s/_o_e/_y/_h_/w_y/, /_u_/a_p_o_i_g/_h_/h_g_/a_d/_l_i_a_e/_u_p_s_/: Knowledge, sure, /_r_e_/; all the things that we have so far striven in vain to accomplish, hindered /r_t_e_/t_a_/h_l_e_/be our /_e_k/ or /_d_e/_r_e_d_/. There need not be, there would not be, any real change in our designs, only in our means" Last edited by Beren3000 : 04-19-2011 at 06:44 PM. |