Teacup Cafe XXIII - Page 23

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-07-2008, 03:23 PM

The Tempest is very interesting; there is a lot of depth in that one.

hectorberlioz · 03-07-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Gwaimir Windgem

The Tempest is very interesting; there is a lot of depth in that one.

I always think of that play involving the ocean...but I have no idea if it does or not.

**Mari** · 03-07-2008, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gwaimir Windgem

I don't think that's an altogether accurate appraisal of the situation. Caesar had just been stabbed by the senators, and last of all by Brutus, his dear friend. Caesar says, "Et tu, Brute? Then fall, Caesar". ('Brute' is the vocative of Brutus, the form used in direct address). "Et" means "and", or "also", or "even". I think the sense is best conveyed with the translation, "Even you, Brutus?"

Hehe, as I said, I never read it. I only know the story my Latinteacher more or less told us.

**Mari** · 03-07-2008, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

We read "A Midsummer Night's Dream" in my English Lit class...it was pretty interesting. Never went all that in depth into Ol' Shakey's works...

I had to read MacBeth. We also watched the very bad movie. Very very bad movie. With a "floating" knife on a rope...

hectorberlioz · 03-07-2008, 03:42 PM

Now Lady MacBeth... she's the real character

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**Mari** · 03-07-2008, 03:46 PM

Yes, but she couldn't handle it. If you can't handle the psychological strain of being a cold blooded murderer, then don't kill your king and friend in the first place! Wuss!

sisterandcousinandaunt · 03-07-2008, 03:52 PM

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Yes, but she couldn't handle it. If you can't handle the psychological strain of being a cold blooded murderer, then don't kill your king and friend in the first place! Wuss!

I disagree, from a theatrical point of view. Completely boring to watch the problems of a sociopath. Why the Scottish play is interesting is because it takes fairly ordinary people and exposes them to extraordinary temptation.

**Mari** · 03-07-2008, 04:07 PM

Sorry, but I'm having trouble understanding what you are saying. Do you like the psychological breakdown of Lady MacBeth or not?
(not enough sleep)

Grey_Wolf · 03-07-2008, 04:14 PM

The Theatrical Monsters came in and said "Starcross'd lovers we are and know thus that parting is such sweet sorrow."

***Earniel*** · 03-07-2008, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

I always think of that play involving the ocean...but I have no idea if it does or not.

It takes place on an island, if I'm not mistaken, so you're close. (I read the Complete Works of Shakespeare in a marathon reading of a sort, so now I tend to mix plots somewhat...)

**Mari** · 03-07-2008, 05:37 PM

Aha! I got my hands on some dark chocolate with hazelnuts, mwuhahaha!

I'll share, if you are reeeeeally nice to me... BOW BEFORE YOUR QUEEN!!!

hectorberlioz · 03-07-2008, 05:42 PM

Aw

, I want some...your highly highnessness *bows*

**Mari** · 03-07-2008, 05:46 PM

Oh wow, there is someone who wants dark chocolate enough to bow to ME?!? You must really like it...
*breaks off a large chunk* Here you go then.

You know, all you had to do was ask, I can't say no anyhow.

How are you?

hectorberlioz · 03-07-2008, 05:48 PM

Well enough to trade my dignity for chocolate

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**Mari** · 03-07-2008, 05:52 PM

Really, you shouldn't. What do you have left if not your dignity? And you most certainly ought not to give away your dignity to me.
Oh wait. I was trying to be evil... Right. Ermm, where was I... oh yeah
BOW!!! No wait, we did that part allready...

The Sasquatch of Fangorn · 03-07-2008, 07:23 PM

I'm baaaaack!

sisterandcousinandaunt · 03-07-2008, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sisterandcousinandaunt

I disagree, from a theatrical point of view. Completely boring to watch the problems of a sociopath. Why the Scottish play is interesting is because it takes fairly ordinary people and exposes them to extraordinary temptation.

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Originally Posted by Mari

Sorry, but I'm having trouble understanding what you are saying. Do you like the psychological breakdown of Lady MacBeth or not?
(not enough sleep)

I think it's necessary, from the audience's perspective. Lady M goes along being a complete villian. If she never cracks up, what's the interest? She's like an evil robot. Tragedy requires a place where the lead has an option, and doesn't take it. The audience needs to be able to yell, "NO! Don't answer the door!" The reason that the character DOES answer the door is their tragic flaw.

Now, in the Scottish play, Lady M is not the lead. But her behavior makes the play go. If she was not ambitious and resolute, her lord would still be a minor character. The safe approach would have been to make her like Eve. Eve eats the apple, poor Adam gets sucked in. Hiss boo at Eve. But Shakespeare makes a more interesting and profound choice. Shakespeare gives her a place to really find out what her ambition has created. He gives all of us a look at the slice of Hell her choices make. "Yet, who would have thought the old man to have had so much blood in him?" A minute ago, it was all about being Queen. Now she's covered in blood that can never be washed away. It's chilling.

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I'm baaaaack!

How was the...doctor?

The Sasquatch of Fangorn · 03-07-2008, 08:53 PM

Good. I'm almost fully recovered from my foot injury

sisterandcousinandaunt · 03-07-2008, 09:47 PM

That's excellent.

You'll have your dancing shoes back on for Spring.

The Sasquatch of Fangorn · 03-07-2008, 09:48 PM

Yup! I'll be able to play football! lol

03-07-2008, 03:23 PM	#441
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	The Tempest is very interesting; there is a lot of depth in that one. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-07-2008, 03:42 PM	#445
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	Now Lady MacBeth... she's the real character. __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide

03-07-2008, 03:46 PM	#446
Mari Elf Lady Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In the lands where mountains are but a fairytale Posts: 8,588	Yes, but she couldn't handle it. If you can't handle the psychological strain of being a cold blooded murderer, then don't kill your king and friend in the first place! Wuss! __________________ Love always, deeply and true ★ Friends are those rare people who ask how we are and then wait to hear the answer. ★ Friendship is sharing openly, laughing often, trusting always, caring deeply. ...The Earth laughs in flowers ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Hamatreya"...

03-07-2008, 04:07 PM	#448
Mari Elf Lady Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In the lands where mountains are but a fairytale Posts: 8,588	Sorry, but I'm having trouble understanding what you are saying. Do you like the psychological breakdown of Lady MacBeth or not? (not enough sleep) __________________ Love always, deeply and true ★ Friends are those rare people who ask how we are and then wait to hear the answer. ★ Friendship is sharing openly, laughing often, trusting always, caring deeply. ...The Earth laughs in flowers ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Hamatreya"...

03-07-2008, 05:37 PM	#451
Mari Elf Lady Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In the lands where mountains are but a fairytale Posts: 8,588	Aha! I got my hands on some dark chocolate with hazelnuts, mwuhahaha! I'll share, if you are reeeeeally nice to me... BOW BEFORE YOUR QUEEN!!! __________________ Love always, deeply and true ★ Friends are those rare people who ask how we are and then wait to hear the answer. ★ Friendship is sharing openly, laughing often, trusting always, caring deeply. ...The Earth laughs in flowers ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Hamatreya"...

03-07-2008, 04:14 PM	#449
Grey_Wolf Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mirkwood, well actually I live in North-west Scania, Sweden Posts: 9,481	The Theatrical Monsters came in and said "Starcross'd lovers we are and know thus that parting is such sweet sorrow."

03-07-2008, 05:42 PM	#452
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	Aw, I want some...your highly highnessness bows __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide

03-07-2008, 05:46 PM	#453
Mari Elf Lady Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In the lands where mountains are but a fairytale Posts: 8,588	Oh wow, there is someone who wants dark chocolate enough to bow to ME?!? You must really like it... breaks off a large chunk Here you go then. You know, all you had to do was ask, I can't say no anyhow. How are you? __________________ Love always, deeply and true ★ Friends are those rare people who ask how we are and then wait to hear the answer. ★ Friendship is sharing openly, laughing often, trusting always, caring deeply. ...The Earth laughs in flowers ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Hamatreya"...

03-07-2008, 05:48 PM	#454
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	Well enough to trade my dignity for chocolate. __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide

03-07-2008, 05:52 PM	#455
Mari Elf Lady Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In the lands where mountains are but a fairytale Posts: 8,588	Really, you shouldn't. What do you have left if not your dignity? And you most certainly ought not to give away your dignity to me. Oh wait. I was trying to be evil... Right. Ermm, where was I... oh yeah BOW!!! No wait, we did that part allready... __________________ Love always, deeply and true ★ Friends are those rare people who ask how we are and then wait to hear the answer. ★ Friendship is sharing openly, laughing often, trusting always, caring deeply. ...The Earth laughs in flowers ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Hamatreya"...

03-07-2008, 07:23 PM	#456
The Sasquatch of Fangorn The Co-president of Entmoot - The Half-Dwarven Guardian of the Ancient Forest Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: rexacoracophalifatoryx Posts: 1,405	I'm baaaaack! __________________ proud member of the republic of rexacoracophalifatoryx and it's sister planet clom. "she turned me into a newt!!........but I got better."-Monty Python and the holy grail. Thanks for breaking up the group Yoko!"- The reduced Shakespeare company. Fly Eagles fly, on the road to victory. Fight Eagles fight, score a touchdown 1-2-3. Hit 'em low, Hit 'em high, And we'll watch our Eagles fly. Fly Eagles fly on the road to victory.

03-07-2008, 08:53 PM	#458
The Sasquatch of Fangorn The Co-president of Entmoot - The Half-Dwarven Guardian of the Ancient Forest Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: rexacoracophalifatoryx Posts: 1,405	Good. I'm almost fully recovered from my foot injury __________________ proud member of the republic of rexacoracophalifatoryx and it's sister planet clom. "she turned me into a newt!!........but I got better."-Monty Python and the holy grail. Thanks for breaking up the group Yoko!"- The reduced Shakespeare company. Fly Eagles fly, on the road to victory. Fight Eagles fight, score a touchdown 1-2-3. Hit 'em low, Hit 'em high, And we'll watch our Eagles fly. Fly Eagles fly on the road to victory.

03-07-2008, 09:47 PM	#459
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03-07-2008, 09:48 PM	#460
The Sasquatch of Fangorn The Co-president of Entmoot - The Half-Dwarven Guardian of the Ancient Forest Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: rexacoracophalifatoryx Posts: 1,405	Yup! I'll be able to play football! lol __________________ proud member of the republic of rexacoracophalifatoryx and it's sister planet clom. "she turned me into a newt!!........but I got better."-Monty Python and the holy grail. Thanks for breaking up the group Yoko!"- The reduced Shakespeare company. Fly Eagles fly, on the road to victory. Fight Eagles fight, score a touchdown 1-2-3. Hit 'em low, Hit 'em high, And we'll watch our Eagles fly. Fly Eagles fly on the road to victory.

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