10-13-2004, 08:54 AM | #441 |
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Both candidates support a large military, and through back doors the military contractors can support them for it after their terms are over. Most Americans support a smaller military, however. In 1989, 60% of people wanted a 50% reduction in the military budget over five years. They realize that with the approximately 40% of the budget that America spends building nukes and helicopters, we could instead have a socialized health care system, better education, clean up the environment, and pay off the deficit AT ONCE!!!!!
Neither party wants this. Instead, they support the capitalist subsidy of the military contractors through taxes, and when we the people complain, they scare us into submission with a paper tiger (communism, terrorism). The other issue is that the rich end up paying a smaller percent of taxes than the poor, which is simply wrong. The rich do not need all that money while people are starving, and they should pay more, not less, in taxes. With these two simple expedients, we could get approximitely half of our budget back! Just think of the things that could be done with half our budget! A trillion dollars! Candy! Free health care! Anything we want! All we have to do is to get the 150 million Americans who do not vote into the voting booth, and we could have a trillion dollars to spend as we please! Thats why I'm launching my 2028 presedential campaign. Spread the word! Vote Matthew and get free stuff! I already have a base of 31 fanatic supporters, so now's your chance to be #32! Bow down and worship me, your savior !!!
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10-13-2004, 08:57 AM | #442 |
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Okay, maybe I got a little bit over enthusiastic there
The other thing you should know is that I support socialist health care for dead people. After all, they need it the most! Vote Matthew in 2028! One by one, we're bringing them back!
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10-13-2004, 02:52 PM | #443 | |
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It's just in the UK was have a news station which is (supposed to be) impartial. If the BBC said that kinda thing, well, it would be on the verge of losing funding. I was under the impression that such a stand in church was illegal. Would it have been if he'd refferred to campaign issues in his address? Please don't laugh (meanie) and bear in mind my qualification for askingthis question is the fact I watched The West Wing entitled The Red Mass.
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Jim Carrey just became a "US Citizen". In the car I heard it on the radio - and they said he was going to be a dual citizen and keep his Canadian citizenship also. I think dual citizenship is wrong and I had thought about the voting situation when they said it - he gets to vote in both Canadian and American elections. When I came home - CNN had it on. Guess why he decided to get US Citizenship? So he frigging vote in OUR elections. I wonder - maybe I should gettiung dual citizenship in Canada - so I can vote there for people I want, and still be able to vote in US elections. Either you ARE America - or you are not - you are NOT both US Citizen and a citizen of another country as far as I am concerned. I think the US should do away with dual citizenship. It is completely unfair that non-citizens can become citizens - just so they can vote here - and then not even have to give up their citizenship to their "other" country.
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10-13-2004, 02:56 PM | #445 |
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What if Carrey was a Republican?
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10-13-2004, 03:07 PM | #447 |
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Well, if Jim Carey were a republican dual citizenshippist for dead people? I'd let him have all the votes of all the dead people who resurrected to go to the polls. If he remained a Democrat, he wouldn't have to resurrect...somebody could use the dead peoples names!
Let me hasten to add I am an Independent and reserve the right to lampoon politicians and comedians. There has been no candidate of the stature of Pat Paulsen since Laugh-In@.
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Yes, I think it's illegal for a non-profit organization to endorse a candidate (in the sense that they'll lose their non-profit status if they do). The news article went on to say that they trashed Bush, tho they didn't mention him specifically by name (they used other references that made it very clear who they were talking about). And some of the things Jackson and Sharpton said were really pathetic and fear-mongering. But somehow they get away with it :-(
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My, me this thread has turned out surprisingly (refreshing?) pro-Bush
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For future reference, I insulted you with a word ending '-ie', and was thus not serious. This is a general rule. With the exception of 'Commie'. I digress. Now the obvious point has been pointed out to me, I rather like the idea of the press publishing something which calls into question its own integrity. In the same way I rather like the image of Che Gevaras, the greatest symbolism of capitalism ever. Gaffer, what was that thing I caught a glimpse of in the Graniad 2 this morning? What was that about voters in Ohio (?) taking views from outside the US? I saw the interesting headline, but the inside pages had gone.
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This thread is for discussing the Us presidential elections. If you wish to discuss dual citizenship, please do so in an appropriate thread or make a new thread for it. This ends the message from your moderator.
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Sorry Eärniel, we got quite interested in the new topic too. Do you think you could split the topic off for us?
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Splitting wasn't easy, the topics were very woven into one another in the posts. But I have moved most posts dealing with Dual citizenship to this thread.
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i honestly don't think the "morality" behind hussein even crossed their minds
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i also don't excuse cheney, bush or clinton for the things they have done wrong... i've always had one standard... recognize and point out wrongdoing wherever it appears... and then express it in terms of the "real world"... where all people do bad things and one has to weigh on each occasion whether or not such actions are bad enough to warrant change or not
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Double standard pure and simple. The left love the UN - therefore they won't criticize them - at least no where near as harsly as you would if it was republicans. Where are the demonstrations and calls for "blood for oil" and the greed posters? Where are the liberal demonstrations condemning the UN? They're non-existant. By your excuse you have made yourself very clear for all to see. You won't condemn the UN or France or the others, but you will at the drop of the hat condemn and bitch about republicans and especially Bush and Cheney. Since you mentioned Clinton - let's hear what you think he did wrong? Isn't he the apple of liberal's eyes - the do nothing wrong president? This from my brother who is in Afganistan... Quote:
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BTW - I have more things going on in real life than to have to worry about what you MIGHT have said a few pages back - which would have been several days ago , a week or even a month ago. Do you know anything that I said last week, last month, two years ago? I've said many things to explain my stand on things, but you and others wish to ignore them and not accept them.
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