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So America is the bad guy for this attitude - "Saddam is never going to feed/give medical treatment to his people with $'s that come from America (why would he want his people to be grateful to America for anything?)"? These are just more examples of no matter what the US does - it's viewed as our fault. France and Russia like the way the sanctions are right now - because there are loopholes that allow them to sneak in and sell things that would not be permitted under the smart sanctions. I suppose this is America's fault too. I love how everything bad with the UN is America's doing and everything good that the UN does is the UN's doing. It's just great. Also - it might be good to point out again that Saddam Hussein NEVER complied with the previous UN resolutions in order to get sanctions removed. Should we just removed them because 10 years have gone by and the people are suffering? It's his fault - not America's. If he complied with the previous UN resolutions - the sanctions would have been lifted. Also - do you REALLY think that if sanctions were lifted and Iraq was making billions that it would go to the people???
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But isn't the only way to get oil to participate in the food-for-oil program? How then can anyone "buy" oil?
If he doesn't comply to the current sanctions then why on earth would Saddam comply with smart sanctions? It has already been stated the much "back door" trading goes on through "loopholes".......... I find it amazing that anyone would think that further tightening sanctions, to the detriment of not only Iraq but also Russia and France would ever be accepted. I couldn't care less how the rest of the world views the USA, when did America ever have a good reputation in the eyes of other people? I'm not a citizen of the USA so I don't have to worry about it. What I am concerned with is how the actions of the USA effect the country I live in. If you don't think that America deserves it's reputation then surely you have to ask yourself why so many people think America has that reputation. I honestly do not know if Iraq's money would go to the people, all I know is that people are starving and dying from disease in Iraq today and it looks like they will continue to starve and die tomorrow. It is pretty obvious that food-for-oil with America as the biggest buyer is proving only to keep more people suffering. Last edited by Coney : 10-30-2002 at 04:32 PM. |
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I don't see anyone "laying the problem of Iraq at America's feet" I do see America wanting to tackle the problem of Iraq personally. If the rest of the world disagrees then sure America gains a bad reputation. Is it justified? Probably not, there are plenty of countries ready to stand against America in the UN, luckily America is capable of changing its resolutions as and when another power opposes it. Smart sanctions would have taken power, monetary mainly, away from France and Russia. We all know this, as I've said it amazed me that America ever thought this would be passed by the UN. http://www.merip.org/pins/pin62.html I don't propose getting rid of the sanctions, I do propose that America stop waving it's fists around, stop trying to pass sanctions that only empower America further, stop giving Saddam even more propaganda amunition to use on his people and let the UN do it's job! I also propose that this conversation is going nowhere Last edited by Coney : 10-30-2002 at 06:05 PM. |
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I can care less if France and Russia oppose the smart sanctions. I have always stated that countries as well as people look after their self interests first. Coming from the Russia and France standpoint - I can see why they oppose smart sanctions. It's just that the US is constantly critisized when we act inour self interests - but other countries are obviously treated with kid gloves and it's accepted. Quote:
I also stand by my belief that the US should get out of the UN - shut down the UN headquarters located in New York USA and use that land that is in the SELF INTEREST of Americans.
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I always thought that spying was illegal???
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Also - this was wired.com going about it. Anyone that thinks when they send a PM on entmoot that others can't read it - obviously don't know too much about technology. The same goes for people sending personal e-mails or greeting cards off of websites. The US can not spy on it's OWN citizens without a warrant however.
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But if an American citizen is suspected of doing something illegal - such as plotting to blow up a building and if the police/FBI can show resonable supicion of this and convince a judge that they should be issued a warrant - then they can wire tap and set all that up. Wired.com's article -> Dear Saddam, How Can I Help?
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You mean like these alegations made by the Australian government about Britain - Quote:
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But does that make it legal? As you previously claimed??
And was China within international law by shooting down an American plane? (for that matter was America complying to international law by flying over China's territory?) very confusing this I cannot remember "meaning" Australia or Britain on my previous posts ....... why do you insist on bringing arguments that do not involve the USA into this disscusion Last edited by Coney : 10-31-2002 at 10:26 PM. |
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Concerning the North Korea - the US had supicions that the North Koreans were developing a nuclear weapons program. Intelligence agencies aren't always perfect in getting information. If they were - then 9/11 would never have happened, Pan Am 109 (which my father was scheduled on) would not have happened, Balie would not have happened, many of the IRA bombings throughout England would never have happened, the recent attack in Russia would not have happened. of course at the same time MANY attacks are diverted and prevented everyday.
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Actually I don't see what the International law really does. The countries that don't have any care about human lives - go about avoiding international law. What is International law going to do about North Korea, or about Somalia, or about Iraq, or Saddam Hussein. If you think that Britain or any other country doesn't do the same things - then you are blind. I don't see where shooting down our plane was necessary unless after being told to get OUT of their airspace we refused. Remember during the cold war when the Soviet Union shot down that passenger jet for flying into their airspace. Was that justified? Was that against "international law?" You just obviously hate the US and want to pick out all this stuff that you think the US does wrong. The problem with your spying thing - is that isn't against any laws.
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Concerning North Korea.............yes I can beleive they had suspicions.........yes I can beleive they did absolutely nothing to veryfie these suspicions............yes I can beleive that America pointed all it's fingers at Iraq while N.Korea held back it's ace while (alledgedly) Iraq laughed it's back off |
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You can say you hate the US all you want - doesn't mean you're going to be spied upon. There has to be some intent to do harm to the government or to American citizens or property. The CIA by the way - is an international intelligence agency and has no juristiction in domestic issues. In addition - during the Sniper case - the miliatary was used to supply intelligence - but again they are not able to be directly involved in internal affairs. They could not arrest or have any other involvement other than to pass information to the local law enforcement agencies. Quote:
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So are you saying that spying is both legal and illegal under US law? please enlighten me.........you have stated on several threads that most Americans do not understand the law either
And when exactly did I say I hated the USA Your unbelievalbe..........Paranoia .......... I think that I was right yesterday saying that this conversation was going nowhere Yes I am very aware that Iraq violated a lot of of UN resolutions when that country attacked Kuwait..........isn't it a pity that America sold most of the armaments to Iraq in the hope that Saddam would use them againsnt Iran It doesn't matter how you look at it.......America will go down as the greatest monetary success and the biggest war monger of the late 20C and the first decade of the 21C Yes but surely the USA initially implemented the instricitons/observation laws regarding N. Korea.....and did they not say that they would enforce these restrictions???? Last edited by Coney : 10-31-2002 at 11:18 PM. |
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You arte right - this doesn't going anywhere. The only thing you want to prove is how evil and terrible the US is - while ignoring everyone else or the past history that has caused the problems in the Middle East. Most of which has been caused at the hands of European colonialism in the Middle East and Africa. Quote:
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