Men of the Silmarillion - Page 23

Arien the Maia · 11-19-2004, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

No one's gonna mess with you Arien, even Morgoth is afraid of you!

I think I'm largely unchallanged for Beren...

After reading "Letters of Firiel" Val (I'm on p.36), I also like Arvedui! (And Firiel of course.)

I know

I'm a pretty powerful Maia!

***Valandil*** · 11-19-2004, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

After reading "Letters of Firiel" Val (I'm on p.36), I also like Arvedui! (And Firiel of course.)

Great news!!

You must be in about the middle of Letter #11. Have you read the part about Malbeth yet??

Wayfarer · 11-19-2004, 03:58 PM

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No one's gonna mess with you Arien, even Morgoth is afraid of you!

Is this before or after he rapes her? (Ref: Morgoth's Ring) I'm genuinely curious, since I understand he got, uh... burned by that relationship.

***RÃan*** · 11-19-2004, 04:03 PM

IIRC, he desired to rape her, but was unable - can't find the ref. now. Or perhaps there are 2 versions .... or more!

Arien the Maia · 11-19-2004, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RÃ*an

IIRC, he desired to rape her, but was unable - can't find the ref. now. Or perhaps there are 2 versions .... or more!

I think I remember reading that somewhere in Morgoth's Ring or perhaps it was Peoples of Middle EArth

Wayfarer · 11-19-2004, 04:14 PM

There are multiple versions of pretty much every passage Tolkien wrote. That's a given. Morgoths Ring contains one scene in which Melkor (Morgoth) goes to Arie (Arien), the Sun Maia, and proposes Marraige, offering to make her queen and co-ruler of the universe. She turns him down and he rapes her, but gets burned in the process, and after that light hurts him.

There are also multiple references in which Morgoth threatens (Or Sauron seems to threaten on Morgoth's behalf) to rape Luthien. But in the case I'm thinking of Tolkien actually clarifies in his notes that what takes place is actually a sexual assault.

Just making sure your happy fuzzy fantasies of an unrealisticly perfect Middle Earth get disturbed on a regular basis.

Attalus · 11-19-2004, 04:37 PM

I seem to recall that there is a version where he did rape Miriel, then a later version where he didn't. But, as you say, that is JRRT all over.

***Earniel*** · 11-19-2004, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RÃ*an

*going back to normal self, as opposed to crazed-fangirl-for-a-joke persona*So who's your second favorite guy, just out of curiosity? (It's interesting that we both like a human - it seems like the fangirls usually go for the elves!)

Well, actually my second favorite would be an Elf,

even though a most of the time largely underappreciated Elf IMO: Ecthelion of the Fountains.

***RÃan*** · 11-19-2004, 05:31 PM

Hey, did you see where I mentioned Ecthelion?

***Earniel*** · 11-19-2004, 06:02 PM

Heheh, yes, I did. Wanna fight over him too?

ElemmÃrÃ« · 11-20-2004, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Sister Golden Hair

Yeah, well see what I mean? In all the years since reading the Sil and everything else by Tolkien, I have stayed true to Finrod.

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Originally Posted by Sister Golden Hair

Hold on a second, woman. You can not have Fingon. I have dibs on him, after Finrod of course. You have too many as it is. What a horn dog.

hm...

"stayed true" - just what sort of dictionary are you using, SGH...and can I borrow it?

just kidding

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 11-20-2004, 11:17 AM

You forgot this quote my dear.

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Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair

And the QUEEN OF NARGOTHROND wants Fingon too. Actually he's mine after my king died. Hey, that makes me HIGH QUEEN OF THE NOLDOR!

ElemmÃrÃ« · 11-20-2004, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Sister Golden Hair

You forgot this quote my dear.

Oh, no no no, I saw that and several others

Just didn't want to overstate something when one seemed to prove it well enough... not to mention, didn't feel like cutting and pasting any more...

Choosing a quote now... that was somewhat difficult.

BeardofPants · 11-20-2004, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Arien the Maia

I'm glad that no one is fighting for my Feanaro! (or I'll blast them with fire from Anar!)

WTF, am I chopped liver now?

I bagsed dibs on him first, you newbie.

He's MY flaming elf-toy, now BACK off or your pants get it.

Attalus · 11-20-2004, 03:12 PM

Catfight!

Wayfarer · 11-20-2004, 03:18 PM

*watches the Men of the Silmarillion sneak out the back door to go carousing while the Girls of Entmoot fight overthem.*

ElemmÃrÃ« · 11-20-2004, 09:23 PM

And the Men of the Silmarillion shall curse thee forever, Wayfarer, for alerting us Girls of Entmoot to their deplorable scheme, so that we may react in time and lock all the doors before anyone has a chance to escape...

*Elemmire retreats once again into corner of room, away from the fighting Girls of Entmoot, taking out handmade copy of Athrabeth Finrod Ah Andreth once again... hoping that SGH does not find her hiding space before she has a chance to finish...*

**Nurvingiel** · 11-20-2004, 09:39 PM

Turin: Curse you Morgoth!! I mean Wayfarer!!

ElemmÃrÃ« · 11-20-2004, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

Turin: Curse you Morgoth!! I mean Wayfarer!!

Told you so

Yes... I'm back... Athrabeth is officially reread...

now it must be deciphered... hm...

Wayfarer · 11-20-2004, 09:53 PM

*cackles*

All is proceeding as I have forseen! Mwa-ha-ha-ha!
*turns away from his palintir to address the rest of the people in the room, which is well hidden and far away from the crazy chicks*

Poor Nurvingiel. She can't tell those guys aren't the real Men of the Silmarillion. Little does she know that these are a bunch of 13-year-old boys who let Finrod make them up to look like you, with promises that they'd have chicks going crazy over them.

No, guess they didn't realize I meant 'Crazy' in the literal sense! Allright, then, about that elf babe you were going to set me up with...

11-19-2004, 04:03 PM	#444
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	IIRC, he desired to rape her, but was unable - can't find the ref. now. Or perhaps there are 2 versions .... or more! __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

11-19-2004, 04:14 PM	#446
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	There are multiple versions of pretty much every passage Tolkien wrote. That's a given. Morgoths Ring contains one scene in which Melkor (Morgoth) goes to Arie (Arien), the Sun Maia, and proposes Marraige, offering to make her queen and co-ruler of the universe. She turns him down and he rapes her, but gets burned in the process, and after that light hurts him. There are also multiple references in which Morgoth threatens (Or Sauron seems to threaten on Morgoth's behalf) to rape Luthien. But in the case I'm thinking of Tolkien actually clarifies in his notes that what takes place is actually a sexual assault. Just making sure your happy fuzzy fantasies of an unrealisticly perfect Middle Earth get disturbed on a regular basis. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

11-19-2004, 04:37 PM	#447
Attalus Swan-Knight of Dol Amroth Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: On the Bay of Belfalas Posts: 1,125	I seem to recall that there is a version where he did rape Miriel, then a later version where he didn't. But, as you say, that is JRRT all over. __________________ "What song the Sirens sang, or what name Achilles assumed when he hid himself among women, though puzzling questions are not beyond conjecture." - Sir Thomas Browne, Urn Burial.

11-19-2004, 05:31 PM	#449
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	Hey, did you see where I mentioned Ecthelion? __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

11-19-2004, 06:02 PM	#450
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	Heheh, yes, I did. Wanna fight over him too? __________________ We are not things.

11-20-2004, 03:12 PM	#455
Attalus Swan-Knight of Dol Amroth Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: On the Bay of Belfalas Posts: 1,125	Catfight! __________________ "What song the Sirens sang, or what name Achilles assumed when he hid himself among women, though puzzling questions are not beyond conjecture." - Sir Thomas Browne, Urn Burial.

11-20-2004, 03:18 PM	#456
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	watches the Men of the Silmarillion sneak out the back door to go carousing while the Girls of Entmoot fight overthem. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

11-20-2004, 09:23 PM	#457
ElemmÃrÃ« avocatus diaboli Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Himring Posts: 1,582	And the Men of the Silmarillion shall curse thee forever, Wayfarer, for alerting us Girls of Entmoot to their deplorable scheme, so that we may react in time and lock all the doors before anyone has a chance to escape... Elemmire retreats once again into corner of room, away from the fighting Girls of Entmoot, taking out handmade copy of Athrabeth Finrod Ah Andreth once again... hoping that SGH does not find her hiding space before she has a chance to finish... __________________ ~ I have heard the languages of apocalypse and now I shall embrace the silence ~ Neil Gaiman Last edited by ElemmÃrÃ« : 11-20-2004 at 09:29 PM.

11-20-2004, 09:53 PM	#460
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	cackles All is proceeding as I have forseen! Mwa-ha-ha-ha! turns away from his palintir to address the rest of the people in the room, which is well hidden and far away from the crazy chicks Poor Nurvingiel. She can't tell those guys aren't the real Men of the Silmarillion. Little does she know that these are a bunch of 13-year-old boys who let Finrod make them up to look like you, with promises that they'd have chicks going crazy over them. No, guess they didn't realize I meant 'Crazy' in the literal sense! Allright, then, about that elf babe you were going to set me up with... __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned Last edited by Wayfarer : 11-20-2004 at 10:01 PM.

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