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My teacher told me the other day that she's astounded by how quickly I'm making progress, but it's obvious that it's all happening too quickly for me to actually pull it all together. Every once in a while I'll be singing fine, and then suddenly it will all just come out as a mess for a little while till things click back into place. My brain can't keep track of everything right now, and it's not all habit yet... but it will get there ![]() ![]() So, tonight.... I was practicing, and I totally did these amazing D4's ![]() What I'm totally loving to death about the high palate is that now I can begin in my high register softly... I did a couple of the D4's without an arpeggio up to them, and while they weren't completely solid, I didn't totally lose my placement, and they sounded okay. ![]() Quote:
QUANDO ME'EN VO!!!!!!! *cough* *looks around* Who said that?! >.< Hector?! Is that you? Well, no sense in fighting him on it. You'll just have to sing it. ![]() But seriously, this can only be a good thing ![]() You and the mezzo should also consider singing the Pergolasi Stabat Mater... particularly if she can do straight tone/minimal vibrato. SUCH a beautiful duet. |
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![]() ![]() ... Actually, i do know this aria but have never performed it. I don't think i will, either - the character of Musetta just doesn't resonate with me. I've never been able to 'get' her enough to bring the acting out in the piece properly. For a Puccini piece i'm much better off with "O mio babbino caro". Quote:
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Hmmm, I don't think it's from an actual oratorio, but it's definitely not operatic.
I'm honestly not a fan of Rose and Cav... I personally find the music rather boring, but that's probably just me ![]() Once again not operatic, but a crowd pleaser is the Laudamus Te from the Vivaldi Gloria. Particularly if it's a church event. "Take care of this house" from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is a 'prayer' sort of... it was on Sumi Jo's "Prayers" CD, and it's a beautiful soprano/mezzo duet which can be sung operatically. |
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![]() I'm not kidding, EVERY time i have thought about picking another duet for the mezzo and i, that "Laudamus Te" would come to my mind... and then i'd find myself humming it while doing laundry or something. ![]() Hmmm, maybe this is a sign! ![]() ![]() ![]()
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<.< >.> Sorry, I just absolutely LOVE Pergolesi's Stabat Mater. And, true, Vor, it's not from an opera, but in the eighteenteenth century, the sacred music was pretty operatic. ![]() Quote:
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Yeah, Handel's slow, tragic music is often just ravishing. Cara sposa, Scherza infida...but Son nata lagrimar (what am I doing calling it A sempre piangero
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I thought about looking at some of the Cleopatra/Cesare stuff, too, but i'm not sure whether my mezzo would be up for it. PS~ for Tessar ~ There's a very good chance that i can have my recital recorded. Perhaps i'll be able to finally reciprocate with a little sound bite for you. ![]()
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*tiny, high pitched scream*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG LOREENA MCKENNITT JUST CAME OUT WITH A BUNCH MORE OF HER SHEET MUSIC~~!!!!!!!!!! OMG OMG OMGOMG OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOGMOGMOGMOGM!!!!!!! Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo freaking excited!!!!! I've had a couple of the ones she did a few years ago, and I play them all of the time... and I got Penelope's Song from her new album, BUT NOW SHE'S GOT ALL OF THE SHEET MUSIC OUT! At last the long years of waiting and hoping she would come out with all of her arrangements are OVER!!!! I'm totally gonna buy Stolen Child, Snow, and The Two Trees!!!!!!!!! Today is the most EPICLY AWESOME DAY EVER now that I have discovered this. .... OMG~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I should mention that part of the whole reason I checked is that today I sang 'Dante's Prayer' for my voice teacher, and discovered that she is also a huge Loreena McKennitt fan. This woman gets cooler by the day. >.> I'm tellin' ya... how many operatic voice teachers do you know that would not only let, but encourage you, to sing Loreena McKennitt along with your Handel and Douglas Moore? ![]() Plus I sang a Sara Berillis song for her last semester, and she told me today that she went and got the album and is now a Sara B. fan. OMG. Intensely awesome day despite the incredibly long hours ![]() Last edited by Tessar : 02-26-2010 at 01:57 AM. |
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Oh, you know... no biggy. If you can, you can. If not, I'll just cry myself to sleep every night after the recital murmuring gently into the enveloping darkness, "Why? WHY?" as I drift away to unsettled dreams. No pressure. ![]() I would seriously love to hear it though, if you can get some sound files! I'm so excited that you're doing this. ![]() I'm finding more and more the trick to my high register is super bright vowels, keeping the corners of my mouth 'in and forward', lifting the back of my tongue 'up and forward', and keeping my palate high. It's a lot to think about, but it's slowly coming together ![]() I think I've also been singing with too little energy. I think it was required for a while to keep from being tense, but now I need to sing with a more intense, energized sound again. I'm also working on not clipping off the first words of my phrases. ![]() |
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I think some of us just need to constantly remind ourselves. Have you seen an ENT? I'm not one to tell people to go running about to doctors (and i realize it's also not possible for many), but you may want to make sure that there isn't a physical issue standing in the way. Ask your teacher about it first, though. ![]()
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Look at it this way... your goal is to entertain your audience and do what you love doing. Is it your fault that Mozart wrote two of his greatest, most beautiful arias into one opera for two different characters? ![]() Quote:
I had another breakthrough today... part of which happened yesterday but I think today I'm getting the hang of it: I'm keeping my ribs expanded AND relaxing my lower abdominal muscles... so the air is dropping -really- low when I breath, and I have that lovely 'support' from the ribs to maintain my sound on. It also makes me need about 1/3rd or even less of the amount of 'pressure' I was using before, which is AWESOME. When I get it working, and have the vowels placed correctly, it really does feel like effortless, floating singing and I'm in absolute control of my dynamics. Love it ![]() |
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I'm a little stressed out, though...
![]() So now I'm trying to learn Les Cygnes (the swans) by Hahn really fast. I need it ready for the first weekend of April and I'm just now starting to learn it. Then today the opera director announced that he wants to do a major opera in the Fall, but doesn't know which one and wont give us any idea which ones he's considering. I know it's probably rude of me to think, but when he said that my first thought was, "You seriously brought us all together to tell us THAT? Really? Thanks... I guess?" But what he really wanted to tell us is that he hopes to have auditions for this mystery opera at the end of this month. He might be able to tell us what it will be by the end of next week, but if I wait to prepare an aria till then it'll be too late... but I have no idea what 'kind' of baritone he might be looking for. !!!! That is super, super frustrating to me! So my voice teacher suggested that I start learning Bella Siccome, because Warm As The Autumn Light isn't showy enough for a 'single-piece audition', and I'm not 100% sure about doing Der Vogelfenger. We'll have to see as we get closer I guess. aaaaaagh..... |
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ARGH. *sigh* After practicing for an hour and recording bits of my singing... I can officially say that my tone quality is improving, and is even very beautiful a lot of the time. Definitely a consistently 'nice' sound and often very beautiful.
But also super, SUPER flat probably 50/60% of the time, which is so completely unacceptable I can't even begin to explain how disappointed I am. I'm trying really, really hard to focus on the positives... although my E's are still sort of 'meh' (depends on how I approach it in the song), my C's and D's are extremely consistent and sound great, my vibrato is very steady, good tone quality.... but argh. #$(%)#!!!!!! It feels like none of that matters if I sing flatter than a squashed paper cup. I just have to keep working and building on the good things... at least I'm not flat -all- of the time, right? That's an improvement. I just have to keep taking the pressure off of the voice, relaxing the tongue/jaw, and working on taking better breaths. I have to sing for seminar tomorrow, and I feel awful ![]() Oh well. Keep working I guess. |
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I didn't do so great in seminar, BUT my voice lesson was awesome.
![]() She had me start the phrase so softly that she couldn't hear it (the 'wa' of 'warm' at super, super pianissimo) and build it from there, then we let it be a tiny bit louder once I'd figured that out.... and something just 'clicked' in my body from doing that. I felt a whole load of tension just literally drop off of my body and all of the sudden I was singing with this spinning, free sound that I've never felt before. My teacher and accompanist couldn't believe it, and we all got pretty excited. The tension wants to come back, but I -think- I understand how to make it go away now. I don't even really know what it is that I'm relaxing, but it's like suddenly my voice just opens up and I can sing with minimal effort. Weirdness! I'm praying that the freedom doesn't vanish between now and tomorrow. Usually it would really bug me to not be sure what it is that I'm doing to make that tension release... but at this point I don't even care. If it works, it works and that's good enough for me right now. I overanalyze my voice so much that at least this one great thing I'm just going to let happen on its own. Oh, we also vocalized me up to a full voice Bb4. It's not surprising to me that I have those notes... I used to be able to do that thing where I could 'stretch' my voice up to the C5, but I've always known that I have a full voice Bb4 in me, I just don't know how to get at it a lot of the time. I don't think it means I'm a tenor, much as I would kill to be one. My breaks are in the spots that baritones have them, and I've just always had that weird little extension to the Bb, even when I was 16... although of course it's still one of those 'once in a blue moon' things. Last edited by Tessar : 03-11-2010 at 06:28 PM. |
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I'm learning a lot about professional singing from reading this thread. There's so much more to it than just learning a tune and a text by heart ![]()
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![]() Today was sort of frustrating, but also encouraging. I couldn't get my body to let go of the tension, and now I'm hyper aware of it because I sang without it that one time in my lesson. It's really difficult for me to let go of that tension! I don't know why, because it's so much easier for me to sing without it, but it just wants to hang in there. I did manage to let go of it almost completely at the end of a hymn during our third service, and I stayed relaxed and free for that third anthem, but then after the twenty minute sermon I wasn't able to let go of it again. Oh well. I think it's really a mental thing. The tension comes from that gigantic ball of worry that I hold in the back of my head that says, "What if my voice cracks? What if the person standing next to me hates my singing? What if the director decides he doesn't like my voice any more? What if I think I'm singing well and I really sound horrible?" ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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