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**Mari** · 01-25-2008, 06:20 PM

Where to?

Like it'll be any safer somewhere else. But... it would give me a good excuse to go back to Japan, or Korea, New Zealand, or America perhaps. Hmm, gotta give that some thought!

Nautipus · 01-25-2008, 06:28 PM

You'd find me on some uninhabited atoll, soaking in the rays and snorkeling on the reef, patiently awaiting the end.

**Mari** · 01-25-2008, 06:38 PM

Hehe, I'd try somewhere underground.
...
But if I would die there, that would suck. So on second thought, I'll be somewhere in a huge old forest or a herbgarden

Nautipus · 02-28-2008, 11:52 PM

So anywho...this thread is in its death throes, but I'll do my best to resucitate it. My Biology lab class' teacher is a real prude. She is totally not flexible at all and will not take suggestions (or corrections, for that matter) from any of the students. Especially about the incredibly elementary, frankly banal, that she has prepared. We are going to work with pill bugs (they are isopods related to marine isopods, which is better, I guess), and experiment with their "moisture prefference"...

woohoo, right? Lets watch 10 pillbugs scramble around a septum petri dish for fifteen minutes and have them all end up on the moistened side.

Why not Nassarius snails, huh? Something we dont see every time we take a biology course that involves lab. Maybe something with echionoderms and nitrates. Why not Ophiuroidea, and their (relatively) quick reactions to smell, much like the Nassarius snails. I wish we would do something with more science content. I mean, this is a second semester Bio Majors course! Let's...you know...EDUCATE.

**Mari** · 02-29-2008, 06:24 AM

Take it up with your student council. If you have enough people thinking the same thing, the students council should have the power to at least request a review of the course. Or that's how it works here. Here you need to hand in an official "complaint" signed by yourself and others.

The Gaffer · 02-29-2008, 11:44 AM

Bear in mind that part of the purpose is to learn about methods of study, not just the things you are studying.

What age is "Bio Majors course" for?

Nautipus · 02-29-2008, 03:09 PM

For second semester freshmen in college. The thing is, this experiment has been beaten into the ground. I had it in AP Bio in highschool, Bio 2, and now in college. It truly is in need of a change.

**Mari** · 02-29-2008, 03:17 PM

As I said: take it up with the student council. It's their job, they get paid for it.

BeardofPants · 02-29-2008, 03:30 PM

Really? I was on the student council and all I got was free sammiches. :|

**Mari** · 02-29-2008, 03:55 PM

Oh? *raises eyebrow* I got paid... not much, but still. You have to put a lot of time and work in it after all.

inked · 04-14-2008, 09:39 PM

Interesting article about a book on embryo research:

http://www.zenit.org/article-22280?l=english

GrayMouser · 04-16-2008, 10:35 AM

Simple moral philosophy lifeboat test.

A fire breaks out in a hospital, and you have the choice to save a tray of zygoyes, or one new-born baby. What's your choice?

sisterandcousinandaunt · 04-16-2008, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nautipus

For second semester freshmen in college. The thing is, this experiment has been beaten into the ground. I had it in AP Bio in highschool, Bio 2, and now in college. It truly is in need of a change.

Any possibility you need a better bio program, generally?

It is discouraging to do work over.

I was utterly spoiled, in early school, because they always gave me extra work if their project was too simple. Eventually, they just sent me to somewhere more challenging. If that is to be your fate, better sooner than later, because transfer credits SUCK.

Nautipus · 04-16-2008, 01:25 PM

Not really much better I'm afraid. I'll be outa here after next year, probably. I was the same way in early school.

inked · 04-16-2008, 03:09 PM

GrayMouser, have you applied the Groningen protocol? http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...4/983ynlcv.asp

I'm not sure how you think hospitals are laid out and that zygote research is conducted in hospitals, but ... one obviously goes with the most immediate need - rescue the child. However, absent the fire, would you kill the baby and save the zygotes if you could harvest the stem cells that would save your life?

GrayMouser · 04-17-2008, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inked

GrayMouser, have you applied the Groningen protocol? http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...4/983ynlcv.asp

I'm not sure how you think hospitals are laid out and that zygote research is conducted in hospitals, but ... one obviously goes with the most immediate need - rescue the child. However, absent the fire, would you kill the baby and save the zygotes if you could harvest the stem cells that would save your life?

From the Weekly Standard link to the Grand Forks Herald, undoubtedly a fine newspaper:

Quote:

A parent's role is limited under the protocol. While experts and critics familiar with the policy said a parent's wishes to let a child live or die naturally most likely would be considered, they note that the decision must be professional, so rests with doctors.

However, a little bit of further inquiry led to this article by the authors of the Groningen Protocols in the New England Journal of Medicine:

Quote:

We are convinced that life-ending measures can be acceptable in these cases under very strict conditions: the parents must agree fully, on the basis of a thorough explanation of the condition and prognosis; a team of physicians, including at least one who is not directly involved in the care of the patient, must agree; and the condition and prognosis must be very well defined. After the decision has been made and the child has died, an outside legal body should determine whether the decision was justified and all necessary procedures have been followed.

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/352/10/959
NEJM -- The Groningen Protocol -- Euthanasia in Severely Ill Newborns

Nerdanel · 04-17-2008, 11:15 AM

Darwin's notes available online!

sisterandcousinandaunt · 04-17-2008, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nerdanel

Darwin's notes available online!

Ah, good. I've always wanted to check that boy's work.

inked · 04-17-2008, 11:30 AM

So glad you got the NEJM link. I could only get the first 100 or so words.

Who ya gonna save?- the baby or the stem cells for your disease?

sisterandcousinandaunt · 04-17-2008, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inked

So glad you got the NEJM link. I could only get the first 100 or so words.

Who ya gonna save?- the baby or the stem cells for your disease?

Is the baby cute?

01-25-2008, 06:20 PM	#421
Mari Elf Lady Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In the lands where mountains are but a fairytale Posts: 8,588	Where to? Like it'll be any safer somewhere else. But... it would give me a good excuse to go back to Japan, or Korea, New Zealand, or America perhaps. Hmm, gotta give that some thought! __________________ Love always, deeply and true ★ Friends are those rare people who ask how we are and then wait to hear the answer. ★ Friendship is sharing openly, laughing often, trusting always, caring deeply. ...The Earth laughs in flowers ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Hamatreya"...

01-25-2008, 06:28 PM	#422
Nautipus Kraken King Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Under the sea Posts: 2,714	You'd find me on some uninhabited atoll, soaking in the rays and snorkeling on the reef, patiently awaiting the end. __________________ Being the King of these Beings, This is my Child One of my top ten favorite movies. "You ever try to flick a fly? "No." "It's a waste of time." "Can you see it?" "No." "It's right there!" "Where? "There!" "What is it?" "A crab." "A crab? I dont see any crab." "How?! It's right there!!" "Where?" "There!!!!" "Oh." -Excerpts from A Tale of Two Morons One of the best Global Warming Messages out there

01-25-2008, 06:38 PM	#423
Mari Elf Lady Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In the lands where mountains are but a fairytale Posts: 8,588	Hehe, I'd try somewhere underground. ... But if I would die there, that would suck. So on second thought, I'll be somewhere in a huge old forest or a herbgarden __________________ Love always, deeply and true ★ Friends are those rare people who ask how we are and then wait to hear the answer. ★ Friendship is sharing openly, laughing often, trusting always, caring deeply. ...The Earth laughs in flowers ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Hamatreya"...

02-28-2008, 11:52 PM	#424
Nautipus Kraken King Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Under the sea Posts: 2,714	So anywho...this thread is in its death throes, but I'll do my best to resucitate it. My Biology lab class' teacher is a real prude. She is totally not flexible at all and will not take suggestions (or corrections, for that matter) from any of the students. Especially about the incredibly elementary, frankly banal, that she has prepared. We are going to work with pill bugs (they are isopods related to marine isopods, which is better, I guess), and experiment with their "moisture prefference"... woohoo, right? Lets watch 10 pillbugs scramble around a septum petri dish for fifteen minutes and have them all end up on the moistened side. Why not Nassarius snails, huh? Something we dont see every time we take a biology course that involves lab. Maybe something with echionoderms and nitrates. Why not Ophiuroidea, and their (relatively) quick reactions to smell, much like the Nassarius snails. I wish we would do something with more science content. I mean, this is a second semester Bio Majors course! Let's...you know...EDUCATE. __________________ Being the King of these Beings, This is my Child One of my top ten favorite movies. "You ever try to flick a fly? "No." "It's a waste of time." "Can you see it?" "No." "It's right there!" "Where? "There!" "What is it?" "A crab." "A crab? I dont see any crab." "How?! It's right there!!" "Where?" "There!!!!" "Oh." -Excerpts from A Tale of Two Morons One of the best Global Warming Messages out there

02-29-2008, 06:24 AM	#425
Mari Elf Lady Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In the lands where mountains are but a fairytale Posts: 8,588	Take it up with your student council. If you have enough people thinking the same thing, the students council should have the power to at least request a review of the course. Or that's how it works here. Here you need to hand in an official "complaint" signed by yourself and others. __________________ Love always, deeply and true ★ Friends are those rare people who ask how we are and then wait to hear the answer. ★ Friendship is sharing openly, laughing often, trusting always, caring deeply. ...The Earth laughs in flowers ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Hamatreya"...

02-29-2008, 11:44 AM	#426
The Gaffer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In me taters Posts: 3,288	Bear in mind that part of the purpose is to learn about methods of study, not just the things you are studying. What age is "Bio Majors course" for?

02-29-2008, 03:09 PM	#427
Nautipus Kraken King Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Under the sea Posts: 2,714	For second semester freshmen in college. The thing is, this experiment has been beaten into the ground. I had it in AP Bio in highschool, Bio 2, and now in college. It truly is in need of a change. __________________ Being the King of these Beings, This is my Child One of my top ten favorite movies. "You ever try to flick a fly? "No." "It's a waste of time." "Can you see it?" "No." "It's right there!" "Where? "There!" "What is it?" "A crab." "A crab? I dont see any crab." "How?! It's right there!!" "Where?" "There!!!!" "Oh." -Excerpts from A Tale of Two Morons One of the best Global Warming Messages out there

02-29-2008, 03:17 PM	#428
Mari Elf Lady Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In the lands where mountains are but a fairytale Posts: 8,588	As I said: take it up with the student council. It's their job, they get paid for it. __________________ Love always, deeply and true ★ Friends are those rare people who ask how we are and then wait to hear the answer. ★ Friendship is sharing openly, laughing often, trusting always, caring deeply. ...The Earth laughs in flowers ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Hamatreya"...

02-29-2008, 03:30 PM	#429
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Really? I was on the student council and all I got was free sammiches. :\| __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

02-29-2008, 03:55 PM	#430
Mari Elf Lady Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In the lands where mountains are but a fairytale Posts: 8,588	Oh? raises eyebrow I got paid... not much, but still. You have to put a lot of time and work in it after all. __________________ Love always, deeply and true ★ Friends are those rare people who ask how we are and then wait to hear the answer. ★ Friendship is sharing openly, laughing often, trusting always, caring deeply. ...The Earth laughs in flowers ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Hamatreya"...

04-14-2008, 09:39 PM	#431
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	Interesting article about a book on embryo research: http://www.zenit.org/article-22280?l=english __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

04-16-2008, 10:35 AM	#432
GrayMouser Elf Lord Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ilha Formosa Posts: 2,068	Simple moral philosophy lifeboat test. A fire breaks out in a hospital, and you have the choice to save a tray of zygoyes, or one new-born baby. What's your choice? __________________ Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep. Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man; But will they come when you do call for them? "I like pigs. Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us, but pigs treat us as equals."- Winston Churchill

04-16-2008, 01:25 PM	#434
Nautipus Kraken King Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Under the sea Posts: 2,714	Not really much better I'm afraid. I'll be outa here after next year, probably. I was the same way in early school. __________________ Being the King of these Beings, This is my Child One of my top ten favorite movies. "You ever try to flick a fly? "No." "It's a waste of time." "Can you see it?" "No." "It's right there!" "Where? "There!" "What is it?" "A crab." "A crab? I dont see any crab." "How?! It's right there!!" "Where?" "There!!!!" "Oh." -Excerpts from A Tale of Two Morons One of the best Global Warming Messages out there

04-16-2008, 03:09 PM	#435
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	GrayMouser, have you applied the Groningen protocol? http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...4/983ynlcv.asp I'm not sure how you think hospitals are laid out and that zygote research is conducted in hospitals, but ... one obviously goes with the most immediate need - rescue the child. However, absent the fire, would you kill the baby and save the zygotes if you could harvest the stem cells that would save your life? __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

04-17-2008, 11:15 AM	#437
Nerdanel Spammer of the Happy Thread Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 3,512	Darwin's notes available online! __________________ "Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. " - C. Sagan My (photography) website My Flickr page

04-17-2008, 11:30 AM	#439
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	So glad you got the NEJM link. I could only get the first 100 or so words. Who ya gonna save?- the baby or the stem cells for your disease? __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

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