11-04-2004, 08:45 PM | #421 |
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Because you said it was unpleasant?!?!
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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11-04-2004, 11:09 PM | #423 |
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I can handle it.
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11-04-2004, 11:35 PM | #424 |
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Thanks for the time and insight Nolendil. You did a good job handling the questions. One of the Proverbs says (paraphrasing) as iron sharpens iron, so are good friends. As I understand certain aspects of Hinduism better thanks to your answers, so you have an increased awareness of necessary differentiations in considering religions. Iron has sharpened iron!
Who's up next?
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11-04-2004, 11:38 PM | #425 |
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Thanks for posting up your POVs Dylan; it's always good to see another approach to this lil' problem called life.
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How about Rian!!
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I have merely realized that I don't like these kinds of environments--religious or belief-oriented topics on online message boards. It is better for me to discuss such things in a classroom, or some place where it is more (to me) about learning. Here, and I mean no disrespect to anyone here, I just get down right depressed. I think I am talking because I want to get my point across, and everyone else is doing the same thing. There is no room given by anyone, including myself, to change. And it shouldn't even be an option, it should be about, I think, learning more. What has made me stop is when I realized you think Hinduism might possibly suggest we tell the hungry that their hunger is not real, because of other suggestions you have gotten from the caste system. It was an honest question, but it makes me sad. I feel like you have no confidence in any non-Christian ideals.
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Well said.....you've come close to voicing the subtle frustration I sometimes feel when posting with Rian. I feel closeness to her as a friend, but at the same time I feel like I am always on the defensive because she has this underlying theme to some of her posts that "my religion is the one true religion". Of course you think that Rian...but it puts people on the defensive, and some of us deal with that by fighting back, some by walking away.....
I like the title of this thread....tho I do not care much for the "being grilled" part. Maybe I shouldn't participate if that is the true purpose. Is this thread really "DEFEND why you believe what you believe"? (I am saying this to clarify, not to fight or insult )
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I didn't feel like I was being grilled. Where did we go wrong?
I blame Moloch. *shakes fist* Curse you Moloch!
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Yeah...Who invited that stupid Moloch! I only felt "grilling" a bit....and I don't want to make a big deal of it, I CAN handle it! Could just be different personalities and posting styles.....I'll put another *skin toughening session" on today's list....
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You need some aloe vera my friend! Who wants to go? I think we should save Rian for later.
That came off really wrong... I mean, Rian should go later. IMHO.
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11-05-2004, 09:21 AM | #432 |
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The charged +/- condition is: to hold a point of view is to keep "a" perspective which precludes acceptence of other views. The position to hold "all" views equally plausable is in itself a one-position view, because it precludes that all views are wrong in their own singlarity of perspective.
Since commitment to any or all of potential views is personal, the best, the most graciouis, the greatest possible gift to each other (of vastly different views) is "RESPECT". And I've seen mountains of it here on this thread of sharing and knowledge. (never begin a sentence with And) Cheers to all of you who have shared so much. Many of us have just sat back and read along, learning along the way.......
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11-05-2004, 11:18 AM | #433 |
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Perhaps I am alone in this perception but I always understood the intent of the thread to be apologetic for one's beliefs ( as in apologia, giving reasons for or a defense of one's position in an affirmative mode, NOT as in an apology for a social gaffe or spilling on your hostess' carpet ). AND, as beautifully stated and impeccable right as my position is (else why would I hold it ), the process is actually more beneficial for the one making the apology than the hearers, though it may benefit the hearers as well. So questioning the apologist is not attacking, in my understanding, but attempting to understand. Of course, it is frustrating when the clarity of one's beliefs articulated in the most engaging fashion fails to enthrall into similar belief one's listeners but paying attention to their viewpoints and questions and attempting to answer them is the highest respect an apologist can pay the questioner. Paying attention enough to actually have questions is the highest respect a listerner can give an apologist.
This thread has RESPECT in ENORMOUS QUANTITITES. But it remains an apologia thread.
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I certainly do agree that there is a lot of respect on this thread, from Rian and everyone else. My point of contention is not one anyone can help.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 11-05-2004 at 02:06 PM. |
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I'll go if there's no-one else... 'sides, time to swing back to an atheist, huh?
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by Rían : 11-05-2004 at 02:19 PM. |
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