Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - Page 22

Spock · 12-12-2005, 04:59 PM

I don't think so, remember Muggles aren't wealthy and have no foreknowledge they'll need money for school.

Pytt · 12-12-2005, 05:06 PM

Doesn't it say in the first book that Harry have to pay something to go to Hogwarts? Maybe it didn't.

Another thing I've been thinking, is that maybe, when book 7 starts, Harry has already been to the Dursleys, and have got one with his hunt for the horcruxes. I'm not really sure if he'll be back at Hogwarts, not when the schoolyear starts anyway. He has to get back to the school sometimes troughout the year, I agree, but I think it will be only a short stay. It would be cool if the whole thing ended at Hogwarts, Harry discovering that Gryffindors sword is the last horcrux, and hurries back to Hogwarts to find Voldemort waiting for him.
This is jsut theories I have, and I'm looking forward to see if I'm at least somewhat right.

Spock · 12-12-2005, 05:14 PM

I read the book again last month and saw the movie again over this weekend, it never mentions it; only that he needed money to buy books and supplies.

Elanor · 12-12-2005, 06:54 PM

Actually, you're probably right. I was thinking of what Uncle Vernon said: "I'm not paying for some crackpot old fool to teach him magic tricks!" Since Hagrid lost his temper right then, the issue was never resolved... But it never mentions that the Weasleys have to pay for anything but books and supplies.

***azalea*** · 12-14-2005, 11:05 AM

Thanks for the info re: all are accepted. I suppose that makes sense, but then not all will finish or make their OWLs or NEWts.
I do think there is a tuition, but also as we saw in book 6 when Ddore meets Tom Riddle, he says something like we can help those who can't pay (lent book out so I can't look up that part).

durinsbane2244 · 12-14-2005, 08:59 PM

in HBP, DD says to TR that they have a fund for non-magical children.

Elanor · 12-14-2005, 10:55 PM

non-magical? You mean without magical parents?

Merenwen Vardamir · 12-15-2005, 11:57 AM

I don't think you have to pay to go to Hogwarts because: a) they seek you out and invite you... b) Harry's letter would have said something in S.S if he needed money for more then him books and supplies and c) Dumbledore told Riddles Headmistress at the orphanage that he had 'won a Scholorship'- just so she didn't need to question as much.

***azalea*** · 12-15-2005, 12:32 PM

I guess the only other option is that the ministry supports the school financially, which is why they have so much influence over it.

Elanor · 12-15-2005, 07:02 PM

Well, the only expenses for Hogwarts would be the employees' salaries and some pieces of equipment like potions ingredients, plants, and other things or creatures used for classes. There wouldn't be any property tax or other expenses, and we know from Mrs. Weasley that you can make food out of nothing. Slughorn says his salary is not very high, so probably none of the teachers get paid much, or Filch, Madame Pince, Madame Pomfrey, or Hagrid before he became a teacher (did he get a raise?). They probably get contributions from wealthy wizarding families, and there might be a wizarding tax that pays Hogwarts teachers... I don't know how it would be collected, though. There has to be some tax to pay the Ministry employees, doesn't there?

durinsbane2244 · 12-15-2005, 09:58 PM

i never understood why wizards need money, besides the stuff you just named....how can they have resturants?!?!you can magic food!!

Merenwen Vardamir · 12-16-2005, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durinsbane2244

i never understood why wizards need money, besides the stuff you just named....how can they have resturants?!?!you can magic food!!

it does seem that if you could conjuer things out of midair- money would be pointless, but they can't conjuer everything.... And they might like to go out and be waited on and go to Wizarding Events. Money and the betterment of life is the American dream.....

Elanor · 12-16-2005, 04:25 PM

It has nothing to do with America.

They have restaurants because some people just aren't good cooks!

And witches and wizards specialize in different types of magic, so they pay others to do what they aren't so good at. For example, Fred & George's prank items are really an art. Nobody else could come up with them.

Spock · 12-16-2005, 04:28 PM

Let's not forget "house elves" as they do much of the cooking, etc. and never get paid.

***azalea*** · 12-16-2005, 10:27 PM

I know Mrs. Weasley cooks a lot, but I'm not sure what that looks like. I think they have to put the stuff together, but they can magic stuff like peeling potatoes. I can't imagine how the acquisition of food is achieved, but if they have to go shop for books and robes, I imagine they also shop for food. It's probably regulated or something.

Elanor · 12-17-2005, 01:43 PM

"She slammed a large copper saucepan down on the kitchen table and began to wave her wand around inside it. A creamy sauce poured from the wand tip as she stirred."
Sounds like creating food out of nothing to me, but maybe it's harder for more complicated foods.

durinsbane2244 · 12-21-2005, 10:17 PM

i concur

King of The Istari · 12-31-2005, 04:31 PM

Well Back to Book 7:

I believe that dumbledore will have some contact to harry, most likely through his portrait, I believe he won't help harry with Voldemort or the horcruxes but teach him some of the things he needs to know to beat the enchantments set upon the resting places of the horcruxes and how to destroy them
I can't see any other way he could get this infomation and I think ADD is the only character who could teach harry these things with any credibility

Regarding snape I believe we are all expecting him to be good and turn Voldy and this i what s most likely to happen but I wouldn't mind him just being darn right evil.
I also want him to be evil because I don't like the idea of him killing a defencless dumbledore and then later on saying Dumbledore told me or I killed him but I'm still good.

I think Godrics Hollow will play an intresting part in Book 7 for that will be the first time Harry has seen his old house or visited his parent's graves I think something there may help him on his quest to kill voldemort.

and Finally I WANT A HAPPY ENDING I don't think I could stand Harry being killed off at the end of Book seven, people have been with this character for seven long books and many people includng myself would be able to enjoy rereading the books and watching the films knowing Harry is going to do The Matrix thing and sacrefice himself for the rest of the wizarding world even if it does bring around Voldemort's downfall.

PS. has anyone noticed that the place that the Potters lived "godrics Hollow" is named after gryfndor

cee2lee2 · 12-31-2005, 10:58 PM

[QUOTE=King of The Istari]Well Back to Book 7:....and Finally I WANT A HAPPY ENDING. I don't think I could stand Harry being killed off at the end of Book seven, people have been with this character for seven long books and many people includng myself would be able to enjoy rereading the books and watching the films knowing Harry is going to do The Matrix thing and sacrefice himself for the rest of the wizarding world even if it does bring around Voldemort's downfall..../QUOTE]

Me, too. I just won't be able to bear it if Harry is killed off. Don't think I will ever want to read the books again if that happens. Mind you, this is from someone who has read the books every year at least once, and again right before reading each new book when it is published. It seems a bit silly -- it is fiction after all -- but I care about these characters.

inked · 08-03-2007, 10:07 PM

cee2lee2, How did you like Deathly Hallows and all the deaths there? And what about Harry's demise?

12-12-2005, 04:59 PM	#421
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	I don't think so, remember Muggles aren't wealthy and have no foreknowledge they'll need money for school. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

12-12-2005, 05:06 PM	#422
Pytt The Supreme Lord of The Northern Eagles Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: trondheim, norway Posts: 1,388	Doesn't it say in the first book that Harry have to pay something to go to Hogwarts? Maybe it didn't. Another thing I've been thinking, is that maybe, when book 7 starts, Harry has already been to the Dursleys, and have got one with his hunt for the horcruxes. I'm not really sure if he'll be back at Hogwarts, not when the schoolyear starts anyway. He has to get back to the school sometimes troughout the year, I agree, but I think it will be only a short stay. It would be cool if the whole thing ended at Hogwarts, Harry discovering that Gryffindors sword is the last horcrux, and hurries back to Hogwarts to find Voldemort waiting for him. This is jsut theories I have, and I'm looking forward to see if I'm at least somewhat right. __________________ Don't Panic!

12-12-2005, 05:14 PM	#423
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	I read the book again last month and saw the movie again over this weekend, it never mentions it; only that he needed money to buy books and supplies. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

12-12-2005, 06:54 PM	#424
Elanor Hobbit in the Music Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Westmarch Posts: 1,111	Actually, you're probably right. I was thinking of what Uncle Vernon said: "I'm not paying for some crackpot old fool to teach him magic tricks!" Since Hagrid lost his temper right then, the issue was never resolved... But it never mentions that the Weasleys have to pay for anything but books and supplies. __________________ Middle Earth Crossword Puzzle on the Tolkien Site of DOOM Segovia Mazes

12-14-2005, 08:59 PM	#426
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	in HBP, DD says to TR that they have a fund for non-magical children. __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

12-14-2005, 11:05 AM	#425
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	Thanks for the info re: all are accepted. I suppose that makes sense, but then not all will finish or make their OWLs or NEWts. I do think there is a tuition, but also as we saw in book 6 when Ddore meets Tom Riddle, he says something like we can help those who can't pay (lent book out so I can't look up that part).

12-14-2005, 10:55 PM	#427
Elanor Hobbit in the Music Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Westmarch Posts: 1,111	non-magical? You mean without magical parents? __________________ Middle Earth Crossword Puzzle on the Tolkien Site of DOOM Segovia Mazes

12-15-2005, 11:57 AM	#428
Merenwen Vardamir Enting Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ever Lost, Childress. Posts: 93	I don't think you have to pay to go to Hogwarts because: a) they seek you out and invite you... b) Harry's letter would have said something in S.S if he needed money for more then him books and supplies and c) Dumbledore told Riddles Headmistress at the orphanage that he had 'won a Scholorship'- just so she didn't need to question as much.

12-15-2005, 12:32 PM	#429
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	I guess the only other option is that the ministry supports the school financially, which is why they have so much influence over it.

12-15-2005, 07:02 PM	#430
Elanor Hobbit in the Music Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Westmarch Posts: 1,111	Well, the only expenses for Hogwarts would be the employees' salaries and some pieces of equipment like potions ingredients, plants, and other things or creatures used for classes. There wouldn't be any property tax or other expenses, and we know from Mrs. Weasley that you can make food out of nothing. Slughorn says his salary is not very high, so probably none of the teachers get paid much, or Filch, Madame Pince, Madame Pomfrey, or Hagrid before he became a teacher (did he get a raise?). They probably get contributions from wealthy wizarding families, and there might be a wizarding tax that pays Hogwarts teachers... I don't know how it would be collected, though. There has to be some tax to pay the Ministry employees, doesn't there? __________________ Middle Earth Crossword Puzzle on the Tolkien Site of DOOM Segovia Mazes

12-15-2005, 09:58 PM	#431
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	i never understood why wizards need money, besides the stuff you just named....how can they have resturants?!?!you can magic food!! __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

12-16-2005, 04:25 PM	#433
Elanor Hobbit in the Music Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Westmarch Posts: 1,111	It has nothing to do with America. They have restaurants because some people just aren't good cooks! And witches and wizards specialize in different types of magic, so they pay others to do what they aren't so good at. For example, Fred & George's prank items are really an art. Nobody else could come up with them. __________________ Middle Earth Crossword Puzzle on the Tolkien Site of DOOM Segovia Mazes

12-16-2005, 04:28 PM	#434
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	Let's not forget "house elves" as they do much of the cooking, etc. and never get paid. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

12-16-2005, 10:27 PM	#435
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	I know Mrs. Weasley cooks a lot, but I'm not sure what that looks like. I think they have to put the stuff together, but they can magic stuff like peeling potatoes. I can't imagine how the acquisition of food is achieved, but if they have to go shop for books and robes, I imagine they also shop for food. It's probably regulated or something.

12-17-2005, 01:43 PM	#436
Elanor Hobbit in the Music Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Westmarch Posts: 1,111	"She slammed a large copper saucepan down on the kitchen table and began to wave her wand around inside it. A creamy sauce poured from the wand tip as she stirred." Sounds like creating food out of nothing to me, but maybe it's harder for more complicated foods. __________________ Middle Earth Crossword Puzzle on the Tolkien Site of DOOM Segovia Mazes

12-21-2005, 10:17 PM	#437
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	i concur __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

12-31-2005, 04:31 PM	#438
King of The Istari Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Some where quite interesting with psychedelic trees Posts: 124	Well Back to Book 7: I believe that dumbledore will have some contact to harry, most likely through his portrait, I believe he won't help harry with Voldemort or the horcruxes but teach him some of the things he needs to know to beat the enchantments set upon the resting places of the horcruxes and how to destroy them I can't see any other way he could get this infomation and I think ADD is the only character who could teach harry these things with any credibility Regarding snape I believe we are all expecting him to be good and turn Voldy and this i what s most likely to happen but I wouldn't mind him just being darn right evil. I also want him to be evil because I don't like the idea of him killing a defencless dumbledore and then later on saying Dumbledore told me or I killed him but I'm still good. I think Godrics Hollow will play an intresting part in Book 7 for that will be the first time Harry has seen his old house or visited his parent's graves I think something there may help him on his quest to kill voldemort. and Finally I WANT A HAPPY ENDING I don't think I could stand Harry being killed off at the end of Book seven, people have been with this character for seven long books and many people includng myself would be able to enjoy rereading the books and watching the films knowing Harry is going to do The Matrix thing and sacrefice himself for the rest of the wizarding world even if it does bring around Voldemort's downfall. PS. has anyone noticed that the place that the Potters lived "godrics Hollow" is named after gryfndor __________________ So do all who see such times, but that is not for us to decide, all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us Gandalf And what happened to the rest of your party, killed, eaten, gone home? Beorn, The Hobbit Dark and difficult Times lie ahead Harry, soon we must all face a choice, a choice between what is right and what is easy! Dumbledore Neo Are you listening to Me? Or are you too busy looking at the Woman in the Red Dress? Morpheus, The Matrix

12-31-2005, 10:58 PM	#439
cee2lee2 Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: 2nd star to the left..... Posts: 566	[QUOTE=King of The Istari]Well Back to Book 7:....and Finally I WANT A HAPPY ENDING. I don't think I could stand Harry being killed off at the end of Book seven, people have been with this character for seven long books and many people includng myself would be able to enjoy rereading the books and watching the films knowing Harry is going to do The Matrix thing and sacrefice himself for the rest of the wizarding world even if it does bring around Voldemort's downfall..../QUOTE] Me, too. I just won't be able to bear it if Harry is killed off. Don't think I will ever want to read the books again if that happens. Mind you, this is from someone who has read the books every year at least once, and again right before reading each new book when it is published. It seems a bit silly -- it is fiction after all -- but I care about these characters.

08-03-2007, 10:07 PM	#440
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	cee2lee2, How did you like Deathly Hallows and all the deaths there? And what about Harry's demise? __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941