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The Gaffer · 06-12-2006, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

Frankly, I dont see the promotion of equal rights and civil rights and womens rights and tolerance as a "moral collapse". And we actually see less conflict and suffering now then we did in ancient times. But I do think your condemnation of western society and its ideals has some real merit. We are way too materialistic and we have unhealthy shallow obsessions. Technology has allowed us to focus primarily on pleasure and maximizing how much we own.

Hear hear.

inked · 06-12-2006, 12:42 PM

Same-Sex Marriage: Hijacking the Civil Rights Legacy
Eugene F. Rivers & Kenneth D. Johnson

http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articl...exMarriage.php

The indiscriminate promotion of various social groups' desires and preferences as "rights" has drained the moral authority from the civil rights industry.

THE MOVEMENT TO REDEFINE MARRIAGE to include same-sex unions has packaged its demands in the rhetoric and images of the civil rights movement. This strategy, though cynical, has enormous strategic utility. For what reasonable, fair-minded American could object to a movement that conjures up images of Martin Luther King Jr. and his fellows campaigners for racial justice facing down dogs and fire hoses? Who is prepared to risk being labeled a bigot for opposing same-sex marriage?

As an exercise in marketing and merchandising, this strategy is the most brilliant playing of the race card in recent memory. Not since the "poverty pimps" of 35 years ago, who leveraged the guilt and sense of fair play of the American public to hustle affirmative action set-asides, have we witnessed so brazen a misuse of African-American history for partisan purposes.

But the partisans of homosexual marriage have a problem. There is no evidence in the history and literature of the civil rights movement, or in its genesis in the struggle against slavery, to support the claim that the "gay rights" movement is in the tradition of the African-American struggle for civil rights. As the eminent historian Eugene D. Genovese observed more than 30 years ago, the black American experience as a function of slavery is unique and without analogue in the history of the United States. While other ethnic and social groups have experienced discrimination and hardship, none of their experiences compare with the physical and cultural brutality of slavery. It was in the crucible of the unique experience of slavery that the civil rights movement was born.

The extraordinary history of the United States as a slaveholding republic included the kidnapping and brutal transport of blacks from African shores, and the stripping of their language, identity, and culture in order to subjugate and exploit them. It also included the constitutional enshrining of these evils in the form of a Supreme Court decision -- Dred Scott v. Sandford -- denying to blacks any rights that whites must respect, and the establishment of Jim Crow and de jure racial discrimination after Dred Scott was overturned by a civil war and three historic constitutional amendments.

It is these basic facts that embarrass efforts to exploit the rhetoric of civil rights to advance the goals of generally privileged groups, however much they wish to depict themselves as victims. Whatever wrongs individuals have suffered because some Americans fail in the basic moral obligation to love the sinner, even while hating the sin, there has never been an effort to create a subordinate class subject to exploitation based on "sexual orientation."

Read the entire article on the Weekly Standard website (new window will open).

Posted: 04-Jun-06

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...fhdqe.asp?pg=2

Gwaimir Windgem · 06-12-2006, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GreyMouser

Could we see a quote for that?

I don't have my Republic with me, so I'm afraid I can't give line numbers, but in Book V:

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And can you mention any pursuit of mankind in which the male sex has not

all these gifts and qualities in a higher degree than the female? Need I

waste time in speaking of the art of weaving, and the management of

pancakes and preserves, in which womankind does really appear to be

great, and in which for her to be beaten by a man is of all things the

most absurd?

You are quite right, he replied, in maintaining the general inferiority

of the female sex: although many women are in many things superior to

many men, yet on the whole what you say is true.

And if so, my friend, I said, there is no special faculty of

administration in a state which a woman has because she is a woman, or

which a man has by virtue of his sex, but the gifts of nature are alike

diffused in both; all the pursuits of men are the pursuits of women

also, but in all of them a woman is inferior to a man.

http://www.constitution.org/pla/repub_05.htm

See also:

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Plato advocates the equal education of women in Book V, but it would be inaccurate to think that Plato believed in the modern notion of equality between the sexes. He states in this section that women are inferior to men in all ways, including intellect.

http://www.sparknotes.com/philosophy...section5.rhtml

That's the problem with reading synopses of works; they are often quite biased.

Sorry for not responding earlier, by the by; I didn't see this until today.

inked · 06-12-2006, 05:12 PM

Hmmm, Canadians think sex under age 16 is not a good idea, but ... only 81% are opposed to pedophilia!

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...hub=TopStories

***Jonathan*** · 06-13-2006, 04:04 AM

That article doesn't define what they consider constitutes pedophilia.
45% of the Canadians think sex under age 16 is alright. Surely some of those also think it's ok for a 20-year-old to have sex with a 15 year-old for instance. Is that pedophilia or not? The article doesn't say.

GreyMouser · 06-19-2006, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by inked

Hmmm, Canadians think sex under age 16 is not a good idea, but ... only 81% are opposed to pedophilia!

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...hub=TopStories

The other 19% think it's something about feet

inked · 06-19-2006, 12:00 PM

Good one, GM!

brownjenkins · 06-19-2006, 01:22 PM

Didn't women basically get married right out of puberty in the "good ole days"?

BeardofPants · 06-19-2006, 06:05 PM

Some places still do.

Gwaimir Windgem · 06-19-2006, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonathan

That article doesn't define what they consider constitutes pedophilia.
45% of the Canadians think sex under age 16 is alright. Surely some of those also think it's ok for a 20-year-old to have sex with a 15 year-old for instance. Is that pedophilia or not? The article doesn't say.

Well, what constitutes pedophilia is attraction to or sexual acts performed with pre-pubescent children.

***Jonathan*** · 06-20-2006, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gwaimir Windgem

Well, what constitutes pedophilia is attraction to or sexual acts performed with pre-pubescent children.

The article doesn't define that.

Without a proper definition, some people (as GreyMouser said) might think it has something to do with feet

06-12-2006, 12:42 PM	#422
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	Same-Sex Marriage: Hijacking the Civil Rights Legacy Eugene F. Rivers & Kenneth D. Johnson http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articl...exMarriage.php The indiscriminate promotion of various social groups' desires and preferences as "rights" has drained the moral authority from the civil rights industry. THE MOVEMENT TO REDEFINE MARRIAGE to include same-sex unions has packaged its demands in the rhetoric and images of the civil rights movement. This strategy, though cynical, has enormous strategic utility. For what reasonable, fair-minded American could object to a movement that conjures up images of Martin Luther King Jr. and his fellows campaigners for racial justice facing down dogs and fire hoses? Who is prepared to risk being labeled a bigot for opposing same-sex marriage? As an exercise in marketing and merchandising, this strategy is the most brilliant playing of the race card in recent memory. Not since the "poverty pimps" of 35 years ago, who leveraged the guilt and sense of fair play of the American public to hustle affirmative action set-asides, have we witnessed so brazen a misuse of African-American history for partisan purposes. But the partisans of homosexual marriage have a problem. There is no evidence in the history and literature of the civil rights movement, or in its genesis in the struggle against slavery, to support the claim that the "gay rights" movement is in the tradition of the African-American struggle for civil rights. As the eminent historian Eugene D. Genovese observed more than 30 years ago, the black American experience as a function of slavery is unique and without analogue in the history of the United States. While other ethnic and social groups have experienced discrimination and hardship, none of their experiences compare with the physical and cultural brutality of slavery. It was in the crucible of the unique experience of slavery that the civil rights movement was born. The extraordinary history of the United States as a slaveholding republic included the kidnapping and brutal transport of blacks from African shores, and the stripping of their language, identity, and culture in order to subjugate and exploit them. It also included the constitutional enshrining of these evils in the form of a Supreme Court decision -- Dred Scott v. Sandford -- denying to blacks any rights that whites must respect, and the establishment of Jim Crow and de jure racial discrimination after Dred Scott was overturned by a civil war and three historic constitutional amendments. It is these basic facts that embarrass efforts to exploit the rhetoric of civil rights to advance the goals of generally privileged groups, however much they wish to depict themselves as victims. Whatever wrongs individuals have suffered because some Americans fail in the basic moral obligation to love the sinner, even while hating the sin, there has never been an effort to create a subordinate class subject to exploitation based on "sexual orientation." Read the entire article on the Weekly Standard website (new window will open). Posted: 04-Jun-06 http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...fhdqe.asp?pg=2 __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

06-12-2006, 05:12 PM	#424
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	Hmmm, Canadians think sex under age 16 is not a good idea, but ... only 81% are opposed to pedophilia! http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...hub=TopStories __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941 Last edited by inked : 06-12-2006 at 05:13 PM.

06-13-2006, 04:04 AM	#425
*Jonathan* Entmoot Attorney-General, Equilibrating the Scales of Justice, Administrator ♎ Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 3,891	That article doesn't define what they consider constitutes pedophilia. 45% of the Canadians think sex under age 16 is alright. Surely some of those also think it's ok for a 20-year-old to have sex with a 15 year-old for instance. Is that pedophilia or not? The article doesn't say. __________________ An unwritten post is a delightful universe of infinite possibilities. Set down one word, however, and it immediately becomes earthbound. Set down one sentence and it’s halfway to being just like every other bloody entry that’s ever been written. ☻

06-19-2006, 12:00 PM	#427
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	Good one, GM! __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

06-19-2006, 01:22 PM	#428
brownjenkins Advocatus Diaboli Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Reality Posts: 3,767	Didn't women basically get married right out of puberty in the "good ole days"? __________________ Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever.

06-19-2006, 06:05 PM	#429
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Some places still do. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

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