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There are no "gay rights" called out in our Constitution. There are no "polygamist's rights" called out in our Constitution. Marriage has always been between one man and one woman here, and ANYONE that wants to change the definition has the perfect right and freedom to attempt to do so. In every state that it has come to a vote, the people have passed some sort of legal form saying that they want marriage to be between one man and one woman.
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Do you want Christians to not vote or something? Saying murder is wrong is Christian; do you want to trash murder laws? In a Muslim society, do you propose that any law that conforms with Muslim ideas be thrown out? There's just a ton of problems with your statement, IMO. Quote:
Count - thanks for the info I disagree with some points but won't take it up right now.
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What a pathetic disgusting cold hearted display of political opportunism... Reminds me of politicians in the south in the past who would take a stance supporting segregation because they knew it was the favored point of view among the vast majority of people. It didn’t matter it was bold faced discrimination and unequal treatment. It got them re-elected! And if the country believes racism is right then that makes it right! Right? Quote:
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I probably should have explained my comment a bit more.
People determining the laws of society was the point of my post. Gay marriage is legal in this country, and remains legal, because that's what people want. I don't see this as a case of liberal types wanting to have it both ways.
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(it gets confusing to have this discussion when we're in different countries!)
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You and I both think there's good reason to BAN adults from marrying 3 year olds. I don't think I'd vote for any law to BAN a person from having sex with their Chihuahua, although you might. Wait - seriously, I guess that would fall under existing laws for cruelty to animals, although with a larger dog it wouldn't be so. You and I both think that there's good reason to BAN people from killing people in cold, warm, or any other type of blood. I think there is a good reason to BAN two males or two females or multiple people from marrying each other. You don't. I've listened to your arguments and they haven't changed my opinion that there is good reason to ban this. You've listened to my arguments and haven't changed your opinion that there's not a good reason to ban this. Fine - we have different opinions on what is harmful and what isn't. I also think promiscuity is harmful, and I imagine you don't. Fine - different opinions on what is harmful, although I wouldn't vote for a law outlawing promiscuity - I don't think it's enforceable enough. Quote:
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http://jesusinlove.org/
Possibly offensive site with some sort of handbook on this subject: homosexual marriage (GLBT, actually) and, from New Zealand, the opposing view: http://www.reformation21.com/Reforma...114&vobId=3177 and, a minority view http://www.townhall.com/opinion/colu...22/198242.html
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politics and...
http://www.newyorkblade.com/2006/5-2...ws/matters.cfm and commentary, http://www.crosswalk.com/news/weblog...3/2006#1398430
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Can you provide support for your statement, or are you willing to recant? We all make mistakes, no biggie!
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First, re my supposed inconsistency - I'm not inconsistent. The problem is that you assumed you knew what my stance was and you were WRONG about it. So here it is again - I'll vote for a law that restricts something if: I think the behavior is harmful AND if I think it's reasonably enforceable. There might be a few more considerations (because I haven't really quantified them before) but those are the main two. Perhaps I would have to refine it to "significantly harmful", too. So let's look at your two "inconsistency" claims in your post. First: Quote:
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Summary remark to your quoted examples - If there has never been a gay marriage in the US, then gays trying to get married are trying to CHANGE things, and the attempts to put laws "on the books" are a reaction to the attempt to CHANGE things.
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Theres marrying and then theres smoking… One promotes family ties and one kills upwards of 5 million people every year… And you are in favor of the one that kills at a colossal rate but are against the one that promotes family ties because you have decided that its ‘harmful’. Gosh how consistent of you… Theres driving… Car accidents kill about 1.2 million people per year and cripple and deform countless others. Not to mention the emission ramification of billions of cars being operated around the world. Driving indirectly leads to hostilities and wars because cars have made oil such an important commodity. But you are all for driving, risks and all Im assuming. But that gay marriage thing? Nah too risky… Alcohol… its almost as bad as tobacco. Its addictive as any drug and destroys families and minds not to mention internal organs. And you think gay marriage is “significantly harmful to society”? Look at what alcohol does. Why aren’t you promoting prohibition? It would only be consistent… Moderate consumption of alcohol is ok you say? Well then by that logic why not let the ‘decent, responsible, less flaming’ gays marry so that society DOESN’T come crumbling down as you predict? Its all or nothing… And how about motorcycles, land minds, owning pit bulls, deep sea diving, running with the bulls, cliff diving, handling poisonous animals, juggling flaming objects, swallowing swords, walking on hot coals, watching reality TV, etc., etc., etc… Are you looking to ban any of these dangerous activities? Basically your argument comes down to because its easy to pick on gays then I will (in regards to marriage). But that is a HUGE double standard in my opinion. You should stand for something simply because you believe it’s the right thing to do. Not because you think its an easy group to bully around compared to say the tobacco lobby or the automotive lobby.
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