Religious Knowledge Thread - Page 21

Millane · 04-24-2003, 10:49 AM

Sammy Davis jnr is a Jew??? he is a member of the Church of Satan and i cant see those 2 religions going hand in hand

congressmn · 04-24-2003, 11:17 AM

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Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Does anyone here know if the practice of Eastern or East Indian religions/philosophies/lifestyles (Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism, Taoism, etc.), whether ancient or modern, contained any form of sacrifice?

well there is the goat sacrifice- no longer practiced.

Buddhism never involved any sacrifises from what i know. It has had a clean record.

Unfortunately, Hinduism has had series of unimaginably horrible sacrifices, for example SATI.

SATI- It involves the burning of the wife on the pyer of the dead husband. There are still occasional cases of this, in western india, among the damned tribal people. it's horrible.

and there are others then, but no longer in use.

Gwaimir Windgem · 04-24-2003, 11:19 AM

Ah yes, I knew about that, just forgot it.

Goat sacrifice with which religion?

congressmn · 04-24-2003, 11:22 AM

Hinduism. they cut the goat from the Neck, and make a sacrifice to Godess "KALI".

Banned now.

Insidious Rex · 04-25-2003, 02:48 PM

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Originally posted by Millane
Sammy Davis jnr is a Jew??? he is a member of the Church of Satan and i cant see those 2 religions going hand in hand

was that a joke?

hey does anyone know anything about rastafarianism?

Bombadillo · 04-25-2003, 03:29 PM

Apparently not me. I thought it was a look. But it's a religion?

Insidious Rex · 04-25-2003, 03:57 PM

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Originally posted by Bombadillo
Apparently not. Is that a religion? I thought it was a look.

I think its a Jamaican religion. But thats all I know about it. Jah mun...

Gwaimir Windgem · 04-25-2003, 04:38 PM

I believe it's Jamaican too. I just so happened to stumble across something about it the other day. I believe that it is, in essence, Christianity, with Haile Selassie (sp?) as the Messiah, rather than Jesus Christ. I also think they call God 'Jah'. From what I've heard, they're pretty anti-white as a whole, considering the white civilisation to be "Babylon", probably from Revelations, but maybe from the Old Testament. Also, I believe it supports the use of marijuana as a kind of mind-expanding, spiritual-experience inducing smoke.

One moment while I see if I can dig up the article:

Here it is.

While searching, I found something interesting:

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And, like the God of the Jews, of the Chaldees, of the Hindoos, and of the Christians, this Deity of the Druids had three attributes within himself, and each attribute was a god.

Do Jews believe that God has "trinity-like" properties?

Insidious Rex · 04-25-2003, 05:14 PM

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Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
I believe it's Jamaican too. I just so happened to stumble across something about it the other day. I believe that it is, in essence, Christianity, with Haile Selassie (sp?) as the Messiah, rather than Jesus Christ. I also think they call God 'Jah'. From what I've heard, they're pretty anti-white as a whole, considering the white civilisation to be "Babylon", probably from Revelations, but maybe from the Old Testament.

That would explain that line in the song Get Up Stand Up that goes "mighty god is a living man"

Elfhelm · 04-25-2003, 05:24 PM

Not all Rasta is pot-oriented. There is a movement within it to get rid of the pot smoking. See Ziggy Marley's "Conscious Party".

Yeah, Bobbylond is America, the great whore from Revelations.

As to some Wiccans pointing to trinitarianism in Judaism, actually the source is Kaballah, and it never seemed trinitarian to me so much as dualistic. I don't know where they (the people writing about Druids) would come up with a trinity, except maybe that the three-faced goddess is obscurely back there in the way that Hebrew myth affects the cosmogonic stories???

Radagast The Brown · 04-25-2003, 05:26 PM

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originally posted by GW
Do Jews believe that God has "trinity-like" properties?

what do you mean? three gods or three parts in god?

Coney · 04-25-2003, 05:42 PM

I have to admit I knew very little about Rastafarianism, Gwai's post intrigued me so I had a little read-up

Dreads with Heads

Quite interesting

Gwaimir Windgem · 04-25-2003, 06:15 PM

Three parts or persons or similar aspect, not three actual gods.

Elfhelm, do you mean a trinity for the Druids?

Elfhelm · 04-25-2003, 06:36 PM

Well, according to Robert Graves in The White Goddess, the goddess is a kind of trinity, but not like The Trinity for the Catholics. Catholics believe in One God with Three Persons, whereas pagans believe the gods are aspects of people. It's like that song where the woman sings I'm a mother, I'm a lover, I'm a tramp, etc. Pagans say the goddess is lover, mother, and crone, though some see another triple goddess in the three who offer the apple to Paris (Hera, Athena, and Aphrodita). What probably happened is that people migrated and became separated and, due to having no written tradition, the personalities got distorted. So by the time Diana gets to Ireland she is called Danu. And more than the goddess of the hunt, she's now the mother of the entire clan (the Tuatha). But he thinks they kept the triple aspect and tries to prove it with a lot of illustrations and examples.

But these are mostly Robert Graves' theories. The book is particularly fascinating to me because of the old Welsh poetry. I'm a sucker for old poetry from anywhere.

Oh I forgot to mention Mary the mother of Jesus, Mary Magdalen, and Mary of Bethany overlap this idea in the poetry of H.D. as what she calls a palimpsest. It gets pretty involved...

Elfhelm · 04-25-2003, 06:55 PM

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Originally posted by TinuvielChild
Eh, true...I tend to see other gods as aspects of God, and the Goddess as...I haven't quite figured that out yet. I'm working on it, I'm working on it...

Have you looked into Kabbalah? I think the sephiroth are aspects of God in this way.

Gwaimir Windgem · 04-25-2003, 10:43 PM

Goodness me, you seem to know an awful lot about Kabbalah. I've never of that thar sephi-roth thingummijiggers.

markedel · 04-26-2003, 12:00 AM

no, no. Sephirot are kind of like a linking system-we're at the bottom with God at the top and the sephirot are a set of attributes that link up to God that incorporate both the feminine and masculine aspects of God. Somewhere tomorrow I can find a chart of all the sephirot and lay them out for you. The point is that God takes his infinity "Ein Sof" and through the emanations or sephirot allows his infiniteness to translate into the finiteness of the material world-"malchut". It isnot an acknowledgement of trinity but rather his unity-God is not God without all the elements. Indeed Judaism believed people were originally monotheists and then split God's attributes into bits-creating polytheism. The sefirot system allows God's attirbutes to be seen while acknowledging unity. It also allows for interesting analysis.

The Jew as ethinic group or religion is tricky-the orthodox definition is a nation through covenant-without acceptance of revelation by God no Jewish people. All converts who accept Judaism are according to lore have said to "have stood at Sinai" as it were.

Wayfarer · 04-26-2003, 12:21 AM

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sephi-roth

Sephiroth? Sephiroth!!!! Die!

Materia Blade!

KNIGHTS OF THE ROUND!

MasterMothra · 04-26-2003, 11:20 AM

man, i never knew religeon could be so complicated.

GrayMouser · 04-26-2003, 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by BeardofPants
I've heard that it was mormon, and given the fact that it happened in Utah...

AFAIK the guy was originally a Mormon who became convinced he was himself a prophet or Messiah of some kind, and that God told him to go out and find extra wives.

Polygamy was officially banned by the Mormon Church when Utah joined the United States- it was a condition for accession- but there are apparently still some old-style practitioners around.

04-24-2003, 10:49 AM	#401
Millane The Dude Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: at the altar of my ego Posts: 1,685	Sammy Davis jnr is a Jew??? he is a member of the Church of Satan and i cant see those 2 religions going hand in hand __________________ Ill heal your wounds, ill set you free,

04-24-2003, 11:19 AM	#403
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Ah yes, I knew about that, just forgot it. Goat sacrifice with which religion? __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

04-24-2003, 11:22 AM	#404
congressmn Incharge: neighbourhood security Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: on my 499th post Posts: 481	Hinduism. they cut the goat from the Neck, and make a sacrifice to Godess "KALI". Banned now. __________________ i am nothing. i am a cold stone, which deceives with the light it reflects, giving illusions of warmth.

04-25-2003, 03:29 PM	#406
Bombadillo "The Bomb" Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: all over the place Posts: 1,601	Apparently not me. I thought it was a look. But it's a religion? __________________ Could it be that one path to enlightenment leads through insanity? Last edited by Bombadillo : 04-25-2003 at 07:50 PM.

04-25-2003, 05:24 PM	#410
Elfhelm Marshal of the Eastmark Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,412	Not all Rasta is pot-oriented. There is a movement within it to get rid of the pot smoking. See Ziggy Marley's "Conscious Party". Yeah, Bobbylond is America, the great whore from Revelations. As to some Wiccans pointing to trinitarianism in Judaism, actually the source is Kaballah, and it never seemed trinitarian to me so much as dualistic. I don't know where they (the people writing about Druids) would come up with a trinity, except maybe that the three-faced goddess is obscurely back there in the way that Hebrew myth affects the cosmogonic stories??? __________________ cya

04-25-2003, 05:42 PM	#412
Coney The Buddy Rabbit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Trapped in the headlights.. Posts: 3,372	I have to admit I knew very little about Rastafarianism, Gwai's post intrigued me so I had a little read-up Dreads with Heads Quite interesting __________________ Blessed are the cracked, they let the light in Beatallica

04-25-2003, 06:15 PM	#413
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Three parts or persons or similar aspect, not three actual gods. Elfhelm, do you mean a trinity for the Druids? __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

04-25-2003, 06:36 PM	#414
Elfhelm Marshal of the Eastmark Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,412	Well, according to Robert Graves in The White Goddess, the goddess is a kind of trinity, but not like The Trinity for the Catholics. Catholics believe in One God with Three Persons, whereas pagans believe the gods are aspects of people. It's like that song where the woman sings I'm a mother, I'm a lover, I'm a tramp, etc. Pagans say the goddess is lover, mother, and crone, though some see another triple goddess in the three who offer the apple to Paris (Hera, Athena, and Aphrodita). What probably happened is that people migrated and became separated and, due to having no written tradition, the personalities got distorted. So by the time Diana gets to Ireland she is called Danu. And more than the goddess of the hunt, she's now the mother of the entire clan (the Tuatha). But he thinks they kept the triple aspect and tries to prove it with a lot of illustrations and examples. But these are mostly Robert Graves' theories. The book is particularly fascinating to me because of the old Welsh poetry. I'm a sucker for old poetry from anywhere. Oh I forgot to mention Mary the mother of Jesus, Mary Magdalen, and Mary of Bethany overlap this idea in the poetry of H.D. as what she calls a palimpsest. It gets pretty involved... __________________ cya Last edited by Elfhelm : 04-25-2003 at 06:41 PM.

04-25-2003, 10:43 PM	#416
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Goodness me, you seem to know an awful lot about Kabbalah. I've never of that thar sephi-roth thingummijiggers. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

04-26-2003, 12:00 AM	#417
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	no, no. Sephirot are kind of like a linking system-we're at the bottom with God at the top and the sephirot are a set of attributes that link up to God that incorporate both the feminine and masculine aspects of God. Somewhere tomorrow I can find a chart of all the sephirot and lay them out for you. The point is that God takes his infinity "Ein Sof" and through the emanations or sephirot allows his infiniteness to translate into the finiteness of the material world-"malchut". It isnot an acknowledgement of trinity but rather his unity-God is not God without all the elements. Indeed Judaism believed people were originally monotheists and then split God's attributes into bits-creating polytheism. The sefirot system allows God's attirbutes to be seen while acknowledging unity. It also allows for interesting analysis. The Jew as ethinic group or religion is tricky-the orthodox definition is a nation through covenant-without acceptance of revelation by God no Jewish people. All converts who accept Judaism are according to lore have said to "have stood at Sinai" as it were. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

04-26-2003, 11:20 AM	#419
MasterMothra Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: utumno and angband Posts: 241	man, i never knew religeon could be so complicated. __________________ "........and his name is Melkor, Lord of All, Giver of Freedom, and he shall make you stronger than they."- sauron talking to ar pharazon.

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