UK Politics - Page 21

Twista · 05-05-2005, 02:18 PM

*Bump this one Up*

Just handed in my vote... MY FIRST VOTE EVER!!! ( its really not that exciting

)

Hows it going for everyone else?

I really hope theres a change this year... there wont be... but its just hopeful thinking.

ahhh

Janny · 05-05-2005, 03:51 PM

Come on hung parliament! I'm not waiting another 5 years for my first vote...

***Rían*** · 05-05-2005, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Draken

All those minor celebs who said they would definitely leave the country if Labour won the last time (and time before that) but are still here should be made to keep their word.

We had some celebs here in the US say they'd leave if the Republicans won again. I'm still waiting to see them start to pack ...

Janny · 05-05-2005, 04:59 PM

Oh! Do you think that we could choose the celebs to leave? :P

***Rían*** · 05-05-2005, 05:14 PM

Wouldn't that be nice!!

I'm sure the ones that I would pick to leave would pick ME to leave!

Last Child of Ungoliant · 05-05-2005, 05:35 PM

my first ever vote today...hooray!!

only 5 candidates in my constituency: lab, lib dem, con, green, ukip
tories won it from lib dem last time, let's see who gets in this time

Last Child of Ungoliant · 05-05-2005, 08:08 PM

this is the state of the nation at 1:07 am

labour - 43
liberal democrat - 2
conservative - 1
scottish nationalist party - 1

Last Child of Ungoliant · 05-05-2005, 08:12 PM

the lib dems have held torbay, but next door is teignbridge, with stanley 'father of boris' johnson standing for the conservatives, let's see what happens there

gordon brown has taken kirkcaldy, david blunkett has held sheffield, john prescott has held hull, east

i am hoping for a hung parliament in the least

Last Child of Ungoliant · 05-05-2005, 09:26 PM

tony blair has held sedgefield, there were 15 other candidates, from such partis as the 'blair must go party', and also the 'cherie-blairout party' which i found funny

2:24 am - labour have lost 11, conservative have gained 5, lib dems have gained 5, and 'others' are up 1

lab - 200
con - 32
lib dem - 21
others - 8

Last Child of Ungoliant · 05-05-2005, 10:12 PM

3:11 am

labour - 272 [-20]
conservative - 76 [+13]
lib dem - 32 [+5]
others - 10 [+2]

The Gaffer · 05-06-2005, 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Last Child of Ungoliant

tony blair has held sedgefield, there were 15 other candidates, from such partis as the 'blair must go party', and also the 'cherie-blairout party' which i found funny

Yeah, that was a hoot, though it is sad to see the Loony vote being split in this way. In my constituency, the solitary Loony got 1,400+ votes

Gotta 'fess up here: I voted Labour, in spite of Iraq. What turned me was Michael Howard saying the NHS was a "Stalinist system", thus revealing the true danger we face. That and the LibDems provided a pretty anaemic opposition to the war and I had a few serious problems with some of their other policies.

Overall, a good result, though I would have preferred a smaller majority necessitating an early departure by President Bliar. Lots of Blairites got kicked out, so that 66 majority consists of mostly old labour style backbenchers. So ID cards may be out the window for example.

Also good was how badly the Tories did. If you consider how many Labour voters defected to the LibDems (about 4,000 of them did in my constituency), the lapse in anti-tory tactical voting, and the fact that UKIP are no longer drawing off as much of their natural support, it is pathetic that they only increased their overall share by 1%. Ha ha ha!

What do others think? Did the LibDems do well enough to be able to claim that we really have a 3-party system now, for example?

Last Child of Ungoliant · 05-06-2005, 07:14 AM

i think the lib dems have done very well, 59 (without NI count) is the best for the last 100 yeras, Lloyd George only got 59 seats overall in the twenties, and he led the government, we have to remember, i think that they have proven that the lib dems are there, and we also have to remember that the popular vote was somthing like 33% lab, 32% tory and 25% lib dem, if we had PR, we would certainly have a truly 3 way system

The Gaffer · 05-06-2005, 07:51 AM

Agree. Currently they're on 62 with 23 seats still to declare. Also, they came in second in lots of seats. The challenge is to face both ways: they have to be left enough to attract Labour voters without scaring off too many Tories. The fact that they didn't do well head to head against the Tories was a sign that maybe they're going to have problems with being too leftwing.

Telcontar_Dunedain · 05-06-2005, 11:19 AM

Current Update 4:18

Labour: 335
Tories:197
Lib Dems:62
Other: 32

Snowdog · 05-07-2005, 05:32 PM

So it boils down to Tony making a 3rd term, matching Maggie the Iron Lady Thatcher in this feat.
Cool on free elections!

Last Child of Ungoliant · 05-07-2005, 05:36 PM

Baroness Thatcher was once asked what her greatest political legacy was
the reply?
New Labour!

Snowdog · 05-07-2005, 06:02 PM

New Labour, which is considerably to the right of old Labour it seems.

Last Child of Ungoliant · 05-07-2005, 06:04 PM

left of centre - socialist party, respect coalition, old labour = vote for them
centre or single issue - green, lca, lib dem = vote for them
right of centre - new labour, conservative = don't vote for them
right-wing - ukip, veritas, bnp, national front = are you totally mad? who would vote for those racists!!

Janny · 05-08-2005, 03:09 PM

Paxman 1 - 0 Galloway

Last Child of Ungoliant · 05-08-2005, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janny

Paxman 1 - 0 Galloway

i think george galloway handled that very well

oh yes here's a serious question for someone who has just been elected
"mr galloway, are you pleased that you have managed to oust one of the few black women in the house of commons?" what kind of a question is that? it wasn't a question of colour, or sex, it was a question of the right person being elected

now normally i like jeremy paxman, but my respect for him has gone way down now

05-05-2005, 02:18 PM	#401
Twista Orodruin's Flame Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kananaskis, AB Posts: 1,194	Bump this one Up Just handed in my vote... MY FIRST VOTE EVER!!! ( its really not that exciting ) Hows it going for everyone else? I really hope theres a change this year... there wont be... but its just hopeful thinking. ahhh __________________ Council of Entmoot - Foreign Affairs Minister - 2004-05 Visit the Ye Olde Avatar Shop and The New One Dont tell me what I cannot do Two men are on a Island, they both see a "monster", one sees a bright light, and the other sees a dark cloud My name bares no reference to the music artist.

05-05-2005, 03:51 PM	#402
Janny The Blobbit Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kent, England (Not Oxford! ... yet...) Posts: 1,596	Come on hung parliament! I'm not waiting another 5 years for my first vote... __________________ Janny's Songs Janny's lyrics and random photographs Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who happen to be walking about. ~ Mercutio... erm, GK Chesterton.

05-05-2005, 04:59 PM	#404
Janny The Blobbit Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kent, England (Not Oxford! ... yet...) Posts: 1,596	Oh! Do you think that we could choose the celebs to leave? :P __________________ Janny's Songs Janny's lyrics and random photographs Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who happen to be walking about. ~ Mercutio... erm, GK Chesterton.

05-05-2005, 05:14 PM	#405
*Rían* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	Wouldn't that be nice!! I'm sure the ones that I would pick to leave would pick ME to leave! __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva!

05-06-2005, 11:19 AM	#414
Telcontar_Dunedain Warrior of the House of Hador Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,651	Current Update 4:18 Labour: 335 Tories:197 Lib Dems:62 Other: 32 __________________ Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230

05-05-2005, 05:35 PM	#406
Last Child of Ungoliant The Intermittent One Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: here and there Posts: 4,671	my first ever vote today...hooray!! only 5 candidates in my constituency: lab, lib dem, con, green, ukip tories won it from lib dem last time, let's see who gets in this time

05-05-2005, 08:08 PM	#407
Last Child of Ungoliant The Intermittent One Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: here and there Posts: 4,671	this is the state of the nation at 1:07 am labour - 43 liberal democrat - 2 conservative - 1 scottish nationalist party - 1

05-05-2005, 08:12 PM	#408
Last Child of Ungoliant The Intermittent One Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: here and there Posts: 4,671	the lib dems have held torbay, but next door is teignbridge, with stanley 'father of boris' johnson standing for the conservatives, let's see what happens there gordon brown has taken kirkcaldy, david blunkett has held sheffield, john prescott has held hull, east i am hoping for a hung parliament in the least

05-05-2005, 09:26 PM	#409
Last Child of Ungoliant The Intermittent One Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: here and there Posts: 4,671	tony blair has held sedgefield, there were 15 other candidates, from such partis as the 'blair must go party', and also the 'cherie-blairout party' which i found funny 2:24 am - labour have lost 11, conservative have gained 5, lib dems have gained 5, and 'others' are up 1 lab - 200 con - 32 lib dem - 21 others - 8

05-05-2005, 10:12 PM	#410
Last Child of Ungoliant The Intermittent One Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: here and there Posts: 4,671	3:11 am labour - 272 [-20] conservative - 76 [+13] lib dem - 32 [+5] others - 10 [+2]

05-06-2005, 07:14 AM	#412
Last Child of Ungoliant The Intermittent One Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: here and there Posts: 4,671	i think the lib dems have done very well, 59 (without NI count) is the best for the last 100 yeras, Lloyd George only got 59 seats overall in the twenties, and he led the government, we have to remember, i think that they have proven that the lib dems are there, and we also have to remember that the popular vote was somthing like 33% lab, 32% tory and 25% lib dem, if we had PR, we would certainly have a truly 3 way system

05-06-2005, 07:51 AM	#413
The Gaffer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In me taters Posts: 3,288	Agree. Currently they're on 62 with 23 seats still to declare. Also, they came in second in lots of seats. The challenge is to face both ways: they have to be left enough to attract Labour voters without scaring off too many Tories. The fact that they didn't do well head to head against the Tories was a sign that maybe they're going to have problems with being too leftwing.

05-07-2005, 05:32 PM	#415
Snowdog Dúnedain Ranger of the North Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ruins of Arnor Posts: 892	So it boils down to Tony making a 3rd term, matching Maggie the Iron Lady Thatcher in this feat. Cool on free elections! __________________ "I am an outlaw, I was born an outlaw's son. The highway is my legacy, on the highway I will run."

05-07-2005, 05:36 PM	#416
Last Child of Ungoliant The Intermittent One Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: here and there Posts: 4,671	Baroness Thatcher was once asked what her greatest political legacy was the reply? New Labour!

05-07-2005, 06:02 PM	#417
Snowdog Dúnedain Ranger of the North Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ruins of Arnor Posts: 892	New Labour, which is considerably to the right of old Labour it seems. __________________ "I am an outlaw, I was born an outlaw's son. The highway is my legacy, on the highway I will run."

05-07-2005, 06:04 PM	#418
Last Child of Ungoliant The Intermittent One Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: here and there Posts: 4,671	left of centre - socialist party, respect coalition, old labour = vote for them centre or single issue - green, lca, lib dem = vote for them right of centre - new labour, conservative = don't vote for them right-wing - ukip, veritas, bnp, national front = are you totally mad? who would vote for those racists!!

05-08-2005, 03:09 PM	#419
Janny The Blobbit Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kent, England (Not Oxford! ... yet...) Posts: 1,596	Paxman 1 - 0 Galloway __________________ Janny's Songs Janny's lyrics and random photographs Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who happen to be walking about. ~ Mercutio... erm, GK Chesterton.

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