Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - Page 21

durinsbane2244 · 11-21-2005, 08:13 AM

yes, i like misspelling words now and then, i got the habit from a friend who does it insanely...i know how to spell satan...

Lord Choc Obo · 11-22-2005, 03:35 AM

sure you do, I believe you

, nah just kidding, I know nobody misspells satan, but saying the devil or belzebub or lucifer really is easier though

Faerdhinen · 11-23-2005, 12:22 PM

Ok, I've read it more than 5 times for sure (and because English's not my 1st language, everyone thinks I'm crazy.

) and ... Well, I like it - not love it as I did OotP - and yet it seemed a bit clichéed to me. I didn't expect ... Wait, are spoilers allowed? I didn't expect the person who died to die in HBP but rather in book 7 but yaeh, I was pretty sure he was doomed.

I'm sorry there's so little of my Voldemort. Can't stop liking my lil' Tommie boy.

Lord Choc Obo · 11-23-2005, 07:11 PM

yeah, there was rather little suspense building imho opinion, it gave me a feeling like the matrix reloaded, in the first matrix lots of action and great story, and then suddenly in reloaded the entire philosophy thing with a fight here and there, BUT the matrix revolutions was one hell of a battle so I'm dying for some HP7

durinsbane2244 · 11-23-2005, 09:04 PM

well, i still think DD will have a major role to play, i mean, come on, he's DD....sheesh...

***azalea*** · 12-10-2005, 12:45 AM

Hey, just wanted to respond to a few things here...

I think Harry will be back at Hogwarts next year, at least for a while, after he finds out that he has to find one of the horcruxes there.

I think that McGonagall will be headmistress (she already is, isn't she? I mean, that's what happens at the end! She IS the new headmistress), Hagrid will be head of Gryffindor, and Slughorn will be head of Slytherin. Period!

Finally, just a bit about magic, witches, etc. (re: comments above): the reason the people who shun HP for that reason are misguided is because although they rightly believe that people seeking to practice witchcraft IN REAL LIFE are not following the teachings of the Christian faith --
a) the people doing magic in the book identified as witches and wizards are NATURALLY BORN that way (ie, the abilities are, you could say, God given);
b) the book is a FANTASY and doesn't pretend to be anything more, ie, not REAL or possible in any way, aside from the classic moral lessons it contains; and
c) for the reasons discussed in other threads -- if one looks past the surface structure, it is easy to see spiritually/personally applicable lessons or points that DO parallel Judeo-Christian morals.

Oh, and DD is indeed DEAD!

No faking!

Spock · 12-10-2005, 11:29 AM

Oh come now, Azalea, you're not trying to tell us that Harry Potter isn't real and that there isn't any Hogwarts?

Next you'll be telling us there is not platform 9 3/4 either.

Elanor · 12-10-2005, 08:02 PM

I know someone from my church who was reluctant to read Harry Potter for the typical reasons but when he did he was completely fine with it because the "witchcraft" in these books is based on folklore and fairy tales, not "real" witchcraft or devil worshipping. What's interesting is that many Wiccans -- members of a neo-pagan religious group who claim to be "witches" -- also dislike Harry Potter's world because it doesn't attempt to adhere to Wiccan practices. I simply put it in the same category as all my fantasy books.

rohirrim TR · 12-10-2005, 10:06 PM

how does hagrid become head of gryfindor? I'm thinking he is...er was a hufflepuff i mean come one:
1)he's not the brightest bulb on the christmas tree
2)His strength is his talent with critters
edit: spock isn't it platform 9 3/4?

durinsbane2244 · 12-11-2005, 08:46 PM

yea, 3/4, and hagrid isn't even a wizard...technically...

Spock · 12-12-2005, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rohirrim TR

edit: spock isn't it platform 9 3/4?

Indeed, I posted before my brain was fully engaged.

BTW, I watched the SS & COS on network tv, complete with thousands of commercials, over the weekend. It was the best thing on tv and was very relaxing to watch as I could look for nuances missed in my previous DVD viewings (over three dozen times by now).

Spock · 12-12-2005, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durinsbane2244

yea, 3/4, and hagrid isn't even a wizard...technically...

Well he didn't graduate but he is a wizard. I don't think that just because you didn't graduate you lose your powers. After all all students had 'em before being picked for Hogwarts.

Elanor · 12-12-2005, 02:08 PM

Yeah.

"Yer a wizard, Harry."
"I'm a what?"

So being a wizard or witch is like their species, sort of... but when they finish Hogwarts (someone told me that you don't "graduate" from this type of school in England; you just finish), they become "fully qualified" wizards.

***azalea*** · 12-12-2005, 02:09 PM

Yes, it just means he isn't allowed to practice magic, since his wand was snapped due to the whole T.R. mess, but he was exonerated after CoS (although he hasn't been given permission to use magic, IRC, probably because the ministry doesn't want to admit it makes mistakes, and because he was never properly trained, not having a home in which to learn -- surely not all children from wizarding families are accepted into Hogwarts, for instance I can't see Mundungus there, but you never know -- and not being taught at Hogwarts, plus I think there's a good degree of bias against him because of his parentage). (Was that a long enough sentence?

)

I think the concensus is that he was in Gryffindor, although I agree he seems like a Hufflepuff in some respects. One reason against this that stands out to me is that he says in PS/SS (in Diagon Alley, I believe) something like "Some people say Hufflepuffs are a bunch of duffers, but they've always seemed alright to me." That doesn't seem like something he would say if he had been in H. Def. not Ravenclaw or Slytherin material, so that leaves Gryff. Plus, he is quite headstrong and unafraid to speak his mind or take action.

Besides, he is a Hogwarts professor, so that should make him eligible. I don't see any other character standing out as being obvious to fill the position, and the fact that McGonagall included him in the "conference" at the end of the book also gives weight to the theory.

Elanor · 12-12-2005, 02:33 PM

I think Hagrid must have permission to use magic now, or he couldn't be a teacher. He seems to use it pretty openly, such as when he's fighting the Death Eaters at the end of HBP. He just doesn't have all the knowledge of wizards that have finished school, which is why Harry had to remind him of the "aguamenti" spell.

JKR has been asked if wizards like Mundungus and Stan Shunpike went to Hogwarts, and she said they did. All magical children are accepted to Hogwarts, just not squibs.

Spock · 12-12-2005, 03:23 PM

Agreed!

rohirrim TR · 12-12-2005, 03:56 PM

so how does hogwarts keep their doors open if they accept everyone? do they get tax money?

Spock · 12-12-2005, 03:57 PM

by Magic

rohirrim TR · 12-12-2005, 04:10 PM

ahh....yes....of course but then how....er never mind i guess.

Elanor · 12-12-2005, 04:13 PM

Well, I'm pretty sure they charge tuition... but probably have a government subsidized fund to help kids who can't afford it.

11-21-2005, 08:13 AM	#401
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	yes, i like misspelling words now and then, i got the habit from a friend who does it insanely...i know how to spell satan... __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

11-23-2005, 12:22 PM	#403
Faerdhinen Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Lost in Middle-Earth Posts: 23	Ok, I've read it more than 5 times for sure (and because English's not my 1st language, everyone thinks I'm crazy. ) and ... Well, I like it - not love it as I did OotP - and yet it seemed a bit clichéed to me. I didn't expect ... Wait, are spoilers allowed? I didn't expect the person who died to die in HBP but rather in book 7 but yaeh, I was pretty sure he was doomed. I'm sorry there's so little of my Voldemort. Can't stop liking my lil' Tommie boy. __________________ "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and is widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams

11-23-2005, 09:04 PM	#405
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	well, i still think DD will have a major role to play, i mean, come on, he's DD....sheesh... __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

12-10-2005, 11:29 AM	#407
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	Oh come now, Azalea, you're not trying to tell us that Harry Potter isn't real and that there isn't any Hogwarts? Next you'll be telling us there is not platform 9 3/4 either. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." Last edited by Spock : 12-12-2005 at 12:02 PM.

12-10-2005, 08:02 PM	#408
Elanor Hobbit in the Music Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Westmarch Posts: 1,111	I know someone from my church who was reluctant to read Harry Potter for the typical reasons but when he did he was completely fine with it because the "witchcraft" in these books is based on folklore and fairy tales, not "real" witchcraft or devil worshipping. What's interesting is that many Wiccans -- members of a neo-pagan religious group who claim to be "witches" -- also dislike Harry Potter's world because it doesn't attempt to adhere to Wiccan practices. I simply put it in the same category as all my fantasy books. __________________ Middle Earth Crossword Puzzle on the Tolkien Site of DOOM Segovia Mazes

11-22-2005, 03:35 AM	#402
Lord Choc Obo Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 101	sure you do, I believe you , nah just kidding, I know nobody misspells satan, but saying the devil or belzebub or lucifer really is easier though

11-23-2005, 07:11 PM	#404
Lord Choc Obo Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 101	yeah, there was rather little suspense building imho opinion, it gave me a feeling like the matrix reloaded, in the first matrix lots of action and great story, and then suddenly in reloaded the entire philosophy thing with a fight here and there, BUT the matrix revolutions was one hell of a battle so I'm dying for some HP7

12-10-2005, 12:45 AM	#406
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	Hey, just wanted to respond to a few things here... I think Harry will be back at Hogwarts next year, at least for a while, after he finds out that he has to find one of the horcruxes there. I think that McGonagall will be headmistress (she already is, isn't she? I mean, that's what happens at the end! She IS the new headmistress), Hagrid will be head of Gryffindor, and Slughorn will be head of Slytherin. Period! Finally, just a bit about magic, witches, etc. (re: comments above): the reason the people who shun HP for that reason are misguided is because although they rightly believe that people seeking to practice witchcraft IN REAL LIFE are not following the teachings of the Christian faith -- a) the people doing magic in the book identified as witches and wizards are NATURALLY BORN that way (ie, the abilities are, you could say, God given); b) the book is a FANTASY and doesn't pretend to be anything more, ie, not REAL or possible in any way, aside from the classic moral lessons it contains; and c) for the reasons discussed in other threads -- if one looks past the surface structure, it is easy to see spiritually/personally applicable lessons or points that DO parallel Judeo-Christian morals. Oh, and DD is indeed DEAD! No faking!

12-11-2005, 08:46 PM	#410
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	yea, 3/4, and hagrid isn't even a wizard...technically... __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

12-12-2005, 02:08 PM	#413
Elanor Hobbit in the Music Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Westmarch Posts: 1,111	Yeah. "Yer a wizard, Harry." "I'm a what?" So being a wizard or witch is like their species, sort of... but when they finish Hogwarts (someone told me that you don't "graduate" from this type of school in England; you just finish), they become "fully qualified" wizards. __________________ Middle Earth Crossword Puzzle on the Tolkien Site of DOOM Segovia Mazes

12-12-2005, 02:09 PM	#414
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	Yes, it just means he isn't allowed to practice magic, since his wand was snapped due to the whole T.R. mess, but he was exonerated after CoS (although he hasn't been given permission to use magic, IRC, probably because the ministry doesn't want to admit it makes mistakes, and because he was never properly trained, not having a home in which to learn -- surely not all children from wizarding families are accepted into Hogwarts, for instance I can't see Mundungus there, but you never know -- and not being taught at Hogwarts, plus I think there's a good degree of bias against him because of his parentage). (Was that a long enough sentence? ) I think the concensus is that he was in Gryffindor, although I agree he seems like a Hufflepuff in some respects. One reason against this that stands out to me is that he says in PS/SS (in Diagon Alley, I believe) something like "Some people say Hufflepuffs are a bunch of duffers, but they've always seemed alright to me." That doesn't seem like something he would say if he had been in H. Def. not Ravenclaw or Slytherin material, so that leaves Gryff. Plus, he is quite headstrong and unafraid to speak his mind or take action. Besides, he is a Hogwarts professor, so that should make him eligible. I don't see any other character standing out as being obvious to fill the position, and the fact that McGonagall included him in the "conference" at the end of the book also gives weight to the theory.

12-12-2005, 02:33 PM	#415
Elanor Hobbit in the Music Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Westmarch Posts: 1,111	I think Hagrid must have permission to use magic now, or he couldn't be a teacher. He seems to use it pretty openly, such as when he's fighting the Death Eaters at the end of HBP. He just doesn't have all the knowledge of wizards that have finished school, which is why Harry had to remind him of the "aguamenti" spell. JKR has been asked if wizards like Mundungus and Stan Shunpike went to Hogwarts, and she said they did. All magical children are accepted to Hogwarts, just not squibs. __________________ Middle Earth Crossword Puzzle on the Tolkien Site of DOOM Segovia Mazes

12-12-2005, 03:23 PM	#416
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	Agreed! __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

12-12-2005, 03:57 PM	#418
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	by Magic

12-12-2005, 04:13 PM	#420
Elanor Hobbit in the Music Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Westmarch Posts: 1,111	Well, I'm pretty sure they charge tuition... but probably have a government subsidized fund to help kids who can't afford it. __________________ Middle Earth Crossword Puzzle on the Tolkien Site of DOOM Segovia Mazes