05-24-2007, 06:27 PM | #401 | |
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What would you say was the modern standard for child molesters? IME there's a whole lot more "crossing to the other side of the street" than any other reaction. We're all very sorry later, of course.
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I think it's extremely clear, if one reads even a few of the chapters surrounding the 10 Commandments, that the "Thou shalt not kill" commandment refers to killing for personal gain - i.e., what we would call murder - esp. given that God himself commanded the Israelites to kill some people for certain offenses, and provides for safe refuge for people who accidentally (i.e., do NOT kill for gain) kill people.
We need Radagast here - our resident Israeli - I miss him! I think he's serving in the Israeli army now. He was very clear that the Hebrew was read that way, and seriously, I don't think any other reading is reasonable unless you take it entirely out of context of the Old Testament. Quote:
As far as modern standards for child molestors, I agree with you that it's often overlooked, but I'd say the modern standard is to turn the investigation and consequences over to the authorities.
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I am reminded, don't know why I wasn't before, of what my history tutor said in tutorial today, roughly: If you look at what the witchhunters in late 16th century Scotland were doing, it approaches parody. The specific example instanced was Monty Python and the Holy Grail: "If she weighs as much as a duck...she must be a witch!"
I really think it's important to remember that people could go completely crazy with it and start coming up with random things like that in the name of "protecting themselves." That said, Rian IS right that it was the equivalent of living next to Charles Manson; someone you believe is actively out to kill and working with the Devil. And a lot of people DID turn the "witches" over to the proper authorities - it was those very authorities doing the burnings and other forms of judicial murder. Disgusting, yes. Misogynistic, yes (after all, why were there warlock scares?). But not quite just people seizing on any pretext to attack women, either.
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BTW, my sister, a Jr. High school science teacher and a Christian, uses the Monty Python example every year at the start of her science class as an example of improper deductions and poor scientific method Quote:
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Hey, Count, you're Jewish, right? Whether you are or not (oh, my memory! ), what's your opinion on the "Thou Shalt Not Kill" thing that Sis brought up?
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05-25-2007, 04:30 AM | #407 | |
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Oh, and I meant to thank you for the nice compliment about being open-minded. Thanks. I like debating with you, too. Lief, I know I keep saying "you ought to learn more about X" at the end of my arguments, and I know you intend to do so. I'm not trying to be frustrating. It's just that when we're talking medieval/Renaissance/etc church history, you've kinda stumbled on the topic I've been studying for the last couple years, including right now. So I know a LOT of detail.
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05-25-2007, 05:27 AM | #408 |
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God knows i never thought i'd be the one saying this - but what about a seperate thread about the renaissance? - i was really enjoying that aspect of the debate.
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05-25-2007, 06:27 AM | #409 |
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Hey Renaissance Man, your inbox is full.
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But "feminine" skills, like nurturing, are very undervalued in modern society, which is unfair to women. In fact, the feminist movement tends to expect women to act like men, and seeks to tear down all identification of differences in law and culture. I find this to be very unfair to both genders, considering the different biologies. A system that takes those differences into account, acclaims the virtues of both, and then divides the labor accordingly makes more sense to me. Quote:
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05-25-2007, 01:22 PM | #411 | |
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The people who are caricatured as "Feminists", if they are recognisable at all, belong mostly to the "liberal" branch of feminism. Their aims are focused on political and economic barriers to equality, being active in issues of educational access, equal opportunity in sports and equal pay in work. Ms. magazine and the NOW organization were predominantly "liberal feminist". More things in Heaven and Earth, Lief.
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05-25-2007, 02:39 PM | #413 |
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I agree with you, Sis, that my general statement did not take into account the variety of different kinds of feminists.
I was talking about cultural feminists and liberal feminists, as you say, and those are two of the biggest parts of the feminist movement. There are, of course, all kinds of variety of opinion within those groups. And there's one feminist variety I know of that I very much approve of, actually. I wasn't trying to take into account the variety in my post, but was rather pointing out the general purposes of the big groups. I think that your post mainly supports what I said. And I don't disagree with your post at all .
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It's so nice to have this thread really feeling calm, at the moment .
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Our debate was for the most part just about dates. :/ And I don't think that we actually disagreed about very much, when going over that history. Our main disagreement, as far as I can remember, was on whether or not the 17th century should be called the Age of Reason or considered to be a part of the Renaissance, but that's purely an organizational issue. It doesn't affect the events that happened. Quote:
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-Pointless, contentless, deletable post.-
I need to increase my post count! *Sweats.*
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The book of Esther, dear BJ.
"But the other Jews that were in the king's provinces gathered themselves together, and stood for their lives..."
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I disagree - these Jews are acting as private citizens, defending themselves against a royal writ that authorized their extermination. They aren't acting as part of the polity, because this is Persia, not Israel.
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