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I notice the thread titles were changed, so that raises a question - where do we discuss where we think there are problems with the evidence? As thread starter in THIS thread, it's fine with me to discuss problems people have with the evidence, either for evolution or creationism, in addition to the evidence FOR them. I don't think it's profitable to just say "such-and-such supports this" and not allow any disagreements, IOW. So as thread-starter here, I have no problem - in fact, I encourage - critical analysis of data presented, as long as the analysis is polite to the PERSON that gave the data. Please critize DATA, not PEOPLE, in this thread. IOW, please don't say things like "that's stupid!" or "no one believes that!" Also, please don't question the integrity or validity of degree-holding scientists with statements along the lines of "real scientists don't believe that!" or "that's obvious he's just saying that because of his beliefs!" It's a FACT that degree-holding scientists fall on both sides of the question If their university saw fit to grant them a degree, who are we to say they don't deserve it? If you can see problems with their analysis or conclusions, then by ALL means point it out! but DON'T strip a scientist of their hard-earned degree and their right to comment on something in their field of expertise. If they are making scientific observations about data in their field, then they are making scientific observations about data in their field! It's that simple. Also, please be very accurate about quotes here. Feel free to quote people, but please do it in context and in complete sentences OR an incomplete sentences with ellipses (...). This thread is not for "winning" anything; it's for good, intelligent, honest discussion, and hopefully learning on both sides. Please do NOT draw conclusions beyond what a person has explicitly stated - please grant each person the right to speak for themselves and explain what they think. So let's continue, and Jon, I'm looking forward to your post on bio-stuff (technical term ), if you're still willing to make it.
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BTW - you have COMPLETELY edited your post, you didn't just edited that one part.
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i really want to continue the debate, but it would seem that i have run out of steam, oh well...
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03-19-2005, 05:51 PM | #408 |
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Your asking for trouble if we arent allowed to discuss evolution in a thread about creationism. Part of the discussion is a comparison of the issues. You should make one thread and call it EVOLUTION OR CREATIONISM or something. Otherwise youll need to moderate every other post. or maybe thats the idea...
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03-19-2005, 07:42 PM | #410 |
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Hey can we split up the Homosexual Marriage thread into one thats "Evidence for homosexual marriage" and one thats "evidence for Heterosexual marriage"?
*allows to sink in* Its the same issue. Take away the "evidence for" in the titles for both threads and youd have a point (we could talk about evolution in pure form and try to talk about creationsism in pure form). But discussing the prevailing issues regarding creationism and not being able to say the word "evolution" (and vice versa) is next to impossible.
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hey, IR, you said 'evolution' in here get out, bad, bad man!!
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03-19-2005, 07:46 PM | #412 |
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From now on it will be referred to as the E-word
*stern big brother look*
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I will consider ANY statement that ANY scientist has to state, and I will evaluate it fairly and honestly. And I ask that other people be willing to do this, too.
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An atheist scientist can support animals poping up on earth from nothing - if the science supports that. The issue is DOES the evidence support this without bringing god into it. God and religion is NOT science. So again - it has NOTHING to do with whether a scientist is religious or not - it has to do with whether they bring their religious beliefs into the equation. Evolution does not look as whether there is a god or nor - it merely looks at the evidence. It does not attempt to answer, nor should it attempt to answer, whether there is a god or not. So if you can support "creationism" without god - then that is science. Yu have to be able to present your evidence from a purely non-religious standpoint in a scientific manner. If you can not do that - then it is not a scientifically supported hypothesis, but is merely based on fairytales.
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Did you see the "reason for editing" line I put at the bottom? You objected to one part, and I edited it, and I added some stuff for clarification. What in the world is wrong with that? I don't understand.
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I really just want to have a polite and intelligent discussion on the scientific aspects of creationism and evolution, that's all.
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