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I'm not sure of names... are all those given in the appendices? If Celeborn in in Tol Eressea, that's not a tree of the Numenoreans. Galathilion and Telperion were those names of earlier trees. I'm not certain if any of the Numenoreans' trees is given a name (that we are told, anyway), beyond Nimloth...
And I don't think we know who planted the fruit which became the sapling on Mount Mindolluin - I was refering to Aragorn planting that seedling in Minas Tirith (as it was also seedlings which Isildur planted). Anyway - we still don't have them all.  |
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12-31-2003, 05:19 PM
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 "Celeborn The White Tree of Tol Eressëa The White Tree that grew in the central regions of Tol Eressëa. It grew from a seedling of Galathilion, the White Tree that grew in Tirion, and from it came Nimloth, the White Tree of Númenor." Here is more info: "White Tree of Númenor Nimloth, the White Tree that grew in Armenelos In the early days of Númenor, its people still had the friendship of the Elves of Eressëa. Among the gifts the Eldar gave to the early Númenóreans, one of the greatest was a white seedling of the tree Celeborn that stood in the middle of their island. Planted in the King's Court in Armenelos, the seedling grew into a fine White Tree that came to be known as Nimloth. Its blossoms appeared as the Sun set, and their perfume filled the night in Númenor's royal city. The tree of Tol Eressëa, Celeborn, was itself descended from Galathilion, the White Tree that stood in Tirion that was made by Yavanna herself. Its descendant Nimloth stood in the courts of Armenelos for thousands of years, but when Sauron gained control of Númenor's government, he saw the White Tree as a link to his enemies the Valar, and ordered it destroyed. So the White Tree of Nûmenor was cut down and burned on the altar-fire of Sauron's temple. The line of Galathilion did not end in Sauron's flames. Isildur the son of Elendil had stolen a fruit from the Tree before it was lost. The fruit grew into a seedling that Isildur carried to Middle-earth with him after the Downfall of Númenor. That seedling was planted in Minas Ithil, and was destroyed before the end of the Second Age. Its seedling in turn grew into the first of the White Trees of Minas Tirith, a line that was to outlast Sauron himself." I don't know what you are looking for, but there aren't any more trees that I can find anywhere. These are the only 4 that are ever listed by name plus the sapling that I can find...
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'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen 
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12-31-2003, 11:24 PM
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OK - I'll give you a teeny hint... there's only one more!
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01-02-2004, 07:44 AM
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01-02-2004, 10:11 AM
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Yes... and since it's been a couple days, I'll give you one more hint:
The dead tree in the courtyard when Gandalf and Pippin arrive in Minas Tirith is not the same tree planted in Minas Anor by Isildur, 3017 years earlier. Can you find under what circumstances one tree replaced the other? That will solve the last piece of this puzzle. |
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01-02-2004, 04:35 PM
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Isn't it?
Huh! found it... "When King Telemnar the White Trees of Minas Anor also withered and died. But Tarondor, his nephew, who succeeded im, replanted a seedling in the citadel..." |
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01-02-2004, 04:46 PM
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Correct Radagast the Brown! So, to summarize, there were five:
1 - Nimloth, the White Tree of Numenor, planted at Armenelos (sp?) and ultimately cut down and burned in his temply by Sauron (some of these details are in 'Akallabeth') - but not before Isildur stole a fruit for... 2 - A seedling of Nimloth planted by Isildur at Minas Ithil - late in the Second Age, after establishment of Gondor - this one was also destroyed by Sauron. 3 - A seedling of the tree of Minas Ithil, planted at Minas Anor in Year 2 of the Third Age, by Isildur in memory of his brother, Anarion. This tree died in the year of the Great Plague (1636 - did that plague even affect TREES? Or only White Trees??) when King Telemnar and his children died. 4 - A seedling planted in Minas Anor by the next king, Tarondor, nephew of Telemnar, in 1640 - this tree died in 2852 (in App B - it was 2882 in App A), when the 21st Ruling Steward, Belecthor II died. No seedling could be found, so the dead tree was left standing. 5 - The seedling found by Aragorn, when on Mount Mindolluin with Gandalf, after the downfall of Sauron - which he subsequently planted in Minas Tirith. Radagast... your turn! |
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01-02-2004, 05:00 PM
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Wheeeeee....
had to read all the part of Gondor's kings to get to that part...  After which steward died the white tree of Minas Tirith died 'until the king returns'? edit - new question, valandil inforewd me he already asked it, so: WEhat is the name of the hill where the two sons of Folcwine died? Last edited by Radagast The Brown : 01-02-2004 at 05:07 PM. |
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01-05-2004, 08:17 PM
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But here I thought MINE was a toughy... and nobody has even TRIED this one of yours!!! Somebody look it up! If nobody else does, I will soon.It wasn't 'Blueberry Hill', was it?  |
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01-06-2004, 09:54 AM
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Haudh in Gwanur
I just read this last night and thought it would make a good trivia question but I still couldn't remember how to spell it. 
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01-06-2004, 02:43 PM
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correct!
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01-07-2004, 01:45 PM
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Who gave the keys of Orthanc to Saruman?
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01-07-2004, 01:51 PM
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was it Helm?
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01-07-2004, 02:47 PM
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nope
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Wasn't it Steward Beren?
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'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen
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