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now, to address the "magical" aspect of creationism, without addressing christianity: Brahman, the one who is many, had brought forth the world upon the great turtle, Andu, and thus the four elephants were set to support the world, North, South, East and West. It came to pass that the Dragon see the world within and grew envious of the land for the Gods to populate, and desired to have it for Himself. He came down into within, and claimed the world for his own. On seeing the Dragon attempting to wrest the world from those who wished to fill it with joy and light, Shiva, the Destroyer, came forth, and slew the Dragon in a great battle. Brahma came forth and set the body of the Dragon to the centre of the world, to support the skies and the heavens, and he hallowed the scales which fell from the Dragon. Vishnu, the Creator, came forth, and taking the scales, which had been hallowed by Brahma, cast them to the four winds, each set to land upon a different part of the world, and from there to bring forth many lives suited to the realms which they had been set in. Then Brahma brought forth Men, and Vishnu brought forth Women, and they were set to live in the realms beneath the body of the Dragon, which Brahma had cast to stone mountains, Vishnu brought forth the waters of the Elephants, and created, with Brahma, the rivers and seas in great hollows in the Earth, which had been thrust by Shiva. The peoples set to themselves the lands around the Indus River, and came forth to become a great peoples, peopling the world, bringing joy to Andu. |
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(The theory of wether evolution progressed slowly, or in big sporadic leaps...or a combination of both).
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One thing that is frustrating to me about the debate between evolution/creation is that resources are being wasted. I mean, BOTH evolution and creation deal with a question that we will NEVER know the answer to; namely, how did we get here as we currently see ourselves? (well, let me be a bit more exact - if classic evolution (i.e., non-directed) is correct, then we will NEVER know for sure because when we die, we'll just go *poof*! If creationism is correct, we WILL know for sure how we got here!) I think science, back in the time before evolution, was much more pure and, well, scientific. It was based upon observation, and its goal was to find things out about things that can be found out about! (what wording! ) Now it seems that a lot of time is being wasted by arguments about things that CANNOT be found out about; namely, how we got here. I don't know if I'm expressing this well - do you guys follow what I'm saying?
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I still would like rian to post a single post in here about her scientific evidence which supports creationism without bringing god, the bible, reglion or evolution in the equation. Basically just a straight forward post on the evidence for creationism. Contrary to what FM told me in a PM - she has not done this anywhere in the board. All her examples mention god, religion or attack evolution to back up her claims.
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In 'Mere Christianity' C.S. Lewis explains the theory of Dualism, and that is: two "gods", one good, and one evil and they are constantly at war. This theory, Imo, was presented to explain why good things happen to good people...etc. The catch, Lewis writes, is that the evil bieng wants power and everything else that is evil, for a purpose...people are bad for a reason, and their actions and desires are an Excess of things that are good. Money is good, but having alot of it causes unhappiness. So the evil bieng must have had an origin, either from the good bieng, or from another higher bieng. And so Dualism logically just doesn't seem to be likely.
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And what the hell are you asking me to do? I pointed to flaws in evolution because I saw them, and that gives creationism more credit (since they are opposing), and I'm sure Rian was doinf the same. You're right, RELIGION has NO scientific theory, but CREATIONISM does. Religion is NOT God, religion was not created by God. You're understandinf og the world Religion is obviously wacked (go look it up!), and I have to go now... Sorry, no time to finish this post! Adieu! (and jd, no offense meant to you, but really! you replied to the wrong post.)
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that myth is the creation in most hindu and buddhist sects, and it shows creationism as basically magic, so, um, yeah... Quote:
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Anyway I don't think science is wasted at all about things that can't be found out. To the contrary, with new technically advanced tools we can observe even more in the world. I don't think it's impossible to find out how life began/evolved. I think the answer is out there and that it can be found, we just need to look in the right places and deepen our understanding of the world around us. I also don't think science has become less scientific. Maybe it was in ancient Greece. It's not today.
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But how can we KNOW what happened billions of years ago? It HAS to be an extrapolation, doesn't it? How can it NOT be an extrapolation?
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The world is like a photoalbum - the longer you go back, the grainier the photos get. If we go just a short time back, we have colourful and detailed pics. If we go back a thousand years, the colour's are gone. If we go back a billion years, there are blobs big as footballs in the photos but you can still make out things, especially if you have the right tools.
We can look back billions of years ago and we can understand what we're seeing if we develop methods for it. We can compensate for and tackle the problem with extrapolation.
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ADMIN NOTE: Thread closed for cleaning up.
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