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I can see humor in BOTH sides' cartoons. And I can see the point that BOTH sides' cartoons are trying to make. And I can see how BOTH sides would take offence at BOTH sides' cartoons. But you seem to think that the cartoons from "your side" are MERELY funny, and not offensive. Can't you see how it would be offensive to me to be told I have a closed mind? It doesn't even matter if you think it's true or not - the point is, can you see how it's offensive? As I said, I think there is definitely some truth in the cartoons I posted, but I can also see how it would offend people who are not on "my side" on this issue. I'm trying to work this out and express my thoughts here, but basically it seems like people who have posted cartoons against "my side" say they're merely funny, but when they are posted against, they don't see the humor.
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Take a chill pill on the cartoons, ma'am. However I will point out that I'm kinda joking and I can totally see your point of view. I find the gratuitous posting of links to cartoons annoying on a number of levels: - it clogs up bandwidth - it visually dominates threads and mashes up the CSS - most of them are keech As a one-time cartoonist myself, I will say a few things in defence of the art form, however. A good cartoon can say in a picture what can't be said in a bunch of words, and you can get a message across very effectively. So anyway, there are probably too many of them around on these threads but they have their place. I see you posted links to your cartoons, which strikes me as a good solution. Then we can decide for ourselves if we want to look at them. Finally, I'm afraid I have to say, from an unbiased, formerly-semi-professional perspective, those pro-life cartoons were dire. Since I have no cartoon to post a link to I have no contribution to make at this time which is actually on-topic. |
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IT just seems so unfair, tho, that my positions are open-season for cartoon humor and the points that cartoons are very good at making, and positions that I am against are NOT. Quote:
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Pronunciation: 'dIr Function: adjective Inflected Form(s): dir·er; dir·est Etymology: Latin dirus; akin to Greek deinos terrifying, Sanskrit dvesti he hates 1 a : exciting horror <dire suffering> b : DISMAL, OPPRESSIVE <dire days> 2 : warning of disaster <a dire forecast> 3 a : desperately urgent <dire need> b : EXTREME <dire poverty> - dire·ly adverb - dire·ness noun I think the usage of that particular word is not applicable to the post. It isn't as though they predicted the end of the world in the next few moments.
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Of course, it is entirely possible, and indeed likely, that similarly bad cartoons would exist putting forward the pro-choice position. And I do have sympathy with your position on this, though I don't agree on abortion. |
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10-10-2005, 04:45 PM | #388 |
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oh, I see you think they did
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10-10-2005, 04:58 PM | #389 |
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As regards cartoons, I think this thread is not a good place for them. On either side. Any time you have a discussion where one or more sides believe the other side(s)' beliefs to be akin to murder is somewhere cartoons, unless spectacularly well done (and certainly no one's cartoons here can claim that prestige, no matter which side they're from) have no chance of being anything but offensive.
On topic, although I've been trying to avoid actually being on this topic since it can suck you in like quicksand (although faster, since quicksand is, ironically, slow. The quick means "alive"), I do not believe that doctors should have to do abortions, or that women should have to have abortions. That said, I think abortion should be safe, legal, and available. And if a doctor does not want to do an abortion, I do think he or she should be required to refer a woman to another doctor within a reasonable distance (both spacially and temporally) who will give her an abortion. Although I would prefer if there were never a reason to do a single one.
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OK, here's another thing about posting cartoons: It might be taken as slightly disrespectful on account of not engaging with a person's argument but instead resorting to stereotyping. And if it's one-sided it might justifiably cause a bit of frustration. So anyway.[/QUOTE] suggestion: delete the cartoon, it has nothing to do with the subject topic. You can Last edited by Spock : 10-10-2005 at 11:15 PM. Reason: a cautionary |
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you know... that's a great visualisation of spock's humour! (and spock; that IS a compliment!) edit: Vic's humour and the glasses go with the thesauras stuff! Last edited by Butterbeer : 10-10-2005 at 05:19 PM. |
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[QUOTE=Insidious Rex] If a child grows up in a nightmarish environment that ends up in their abuse and death were they better off living? Tortured and twisted for 8 or 10 or 12 years of their life and then left to die anyway because we cant even take care of the social work load we have already? This happens every day.[/quote} I believe you fail to define your terms, IR. What is nightmarish? How tortured or twisted? How left to die? Sounds terrible but is it merely sound and fury? Quote:
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The state has a vested interest in the protection of the next generation. Isn't that the basis of child welfare? Or did I just misunderstand that bit about "We hold these truths to be self-evident? ... life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"? You want the gurantee of the absolute of the individual? That's anarchy. So, yes, the state is the proper place to regulate abortion. Individuals have the opportunity to regulate the behaviour before a pregnancy comes into being. That's what individualism means, responsibility.
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that may well be the state's view on the extent of individualism: and for good people such as yourself, i can see how you take that to mean it is our own individual responisibility to be a responsible person. But as a definition of 'individualism ' as responsibility (which i know is off-topic) it IS odd! Rian: you are as equally entitled to cartoons as anyone else: it is, and should be, a level playing field, no matter how cutting they are to both sides. best all, BB |
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By the way if you are mistaking me for someone who believes people should be able to abort at any time for any whim then you haven’t read my posts very carefully. Im certainly all about “regulation”. Its just apparently my level of regulation seems to you as nothing at all. Perhaps you should analyze it a little closer. You see in my idea of “regulation” individual choice plays a significant role in the equation where as apparently in yours the individual has no say over what happens to their body post pregnancy. Now what was that china policy again?
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Just to insert a fact here - my husband, as part of his role of board member on the #2-rated charity by Forbes, visits the poor of other countries, where many live on top of trash dumps.
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10-10-2005, 08:55 PM | #398 |
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Please stay on topic.
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Which is what, BTW? I'm kind of lost...not that good at reading looong posts.
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most understandable
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