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Think about it, can the recorded cold spells on one continent be used to state the whole world cannot be warming? Do you actually believe the global climate and the many different weather systems are that simplified? If it was, we wouldn't be having this discussion! Climates all over the world are linked in so many intricate ways, we still do not understand them all. For one, one has to consider the presence of climate-processes that with a raising of temperature in one place, can lead to a lowering temperature in other places. One therefore cannot take localised cooling as a sign the world isn't warming. And there is far, far more to climate, than just temperature. Quote:
In any way, if the sun is causing global warming, the answer should be evident in NASA's records. A brief look at the NASA website indicates that their opinion is: while the sun may be of influence, it is not considered the sole nor defining cause of global warming. So we've checked the plug, but it looks like there's something else going on in our computer nevertheless. Quote:
Let's be honest, can 95% of the population really be considered to be grounded enough in meterology to decide on the raw climate data whether global warming is a fact or a delusion? Not anymore than we can treat cancer on our own, or build a train out of scratch. No, we're going to have to trust experts at some point. And people like me (and I daresay all the people on Entmoot), who are not specialised enough in matters to read and judge the scientific studies themselves, are going to have to rely on derived news articles and if those are written poorly... well, we're pretty much screwed in understanding climate change. Quote:
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10-16-2009, 12:05 PM | #382 |
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Earniel, these are all the problems of living in a kleptocracy masquerading as a democracy.
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10-22-2009, 08:40 PM | #383 |
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definitely people has to live and learn about changes in our world
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10-22-2009, 09:54 PM | #384 |
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Gaffer, are you suggesting that GB is a recovered kleptocracy and the USA is not? I believe you folks pioneered worldwide empire and destruction of habitat in pursuit of wealth and still benefit from it? Why not set a good example and return all the stuff from elsewhere and garden a bit?
But I did like the kleptocracy bit, nice neologism.
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10-27-2009, 11:29 AM | #386 |
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Yeah it's a bit like someone going outside and it's a bit chilly and going "Pah! Global warming my arse."
This is something that really clearly characterises the "sceptic" camp in the way they cite data. Just because there is one year where the world stopped setting all-time records for the hottest temperatures everywhere, they go "it's a hoax". |
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Although, since you ask, I think we do have a useful perspective on empire, having given most of it up more or less willingly. Other countries that are at the earlier stages of empiracy ('nuther one for ya!, this one all my own work) might do well to learn something from it. |
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Well, how's pseudoscientocracy work for ya?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/6425...trophe.html#at A history of the IPCC and its alleged 1500 scientists, among other things....... And, on this side of the POND, we have: http://www.climatedepot.com/a/3606/T...sensus-is-fake
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Bloke flogs his own book on a right-wing, anti-climate change newspaper. How shall I call thee Bogus, let us count the ways..
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Gaffer, I am hurt, hurt, hurt. You never even mention pseudoscientocracy!
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11-04-2009, 04:50 PM | #393 |
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Sorry inked. I reckon the term applies to pretty much all politicians of every hue, sadly.
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Gaffer, from the article above your post (linked), I would say that the kleptocracy that is England has moved from simple to complex: it will now enable persons to go to court over inanity and establish a philosophocracy, thus enabling theft by intellectual dishonesty. I do not deny that the hysteria of climate changers resembles religious belief, I have actually stated it - but on the same principle of scientific unprovableness. It seems, then, that one may have difficulties with all sorts of "philosophies" imagined as religions. Socrates might not think it so.
When you hear that BELIEF in climate change is awarded the status of religious belief in law, you know it has arrived at an inanitocracry. Let us not hear any complaints when Luddites or flat-earthers bring discrimination claims against evolutionary paradigms enforced against them, okay?
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Well, interesting one. I kind of agree. (Arg!) The line between knowledge and belief is a blurred (not to mention tedious) one.
However, the article has been heavily spun. Hey, it's in the Torygraph, which has also repeated your view that climate change is a religion, so no surprise there. They have conflated "environmentalism" with "climate change" in order to bolster their own belief that the case for climate change is not proven. What the judge said was that the man's belief in environmentalism might meet the judicial criteria for "religious belief" the law sets out in the context of the protecting people from discrimination on the basis of their religious belief. (Hey, the UK has a specific law to protect religious belief. All religious belief. Funny how the uber-right-wing Christian Zealots dotcom websites don't link to those stories, isn't it? Why do you think that is?) The tests are: • The belief must be genuinely held. • It must be a belief and not an opinion or view based on the present state of information available. • It must be a belief as to a weighty and substantial aspect of human life. • It must attain a certain level of cogency, seriousness, cohesion and importance. • It must be worthy of respect in a democratic society, not incompatible with human dignity and not conflict with the fundamental rights of others. This will now go on to be tested at a tribunal. Personally, I think it fails the second of these tests. But when you think of "environmentalism" instead of "climate change", the question suddenly becomes "so what?" EDIT: Here's a useful quote from a comment on the Grauniad's Comment is Free discussion: Quote:
So yeah, I shouldn't really have to remind you, but context matters. Meanwhile, in the non-trivial world, the US is dragging its feet YET AGAIN on doing something about it. Go to the back of the class. Or, better, write to your congressperson expressing your disgust at his or her wanton disregard for your children's and grandchildren's futures. http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...enhagen-treaty Although isn't it interesting that sub-states (California, New York, Scotland) are actually far more active than their governments. http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...-climate-group Last edited by The Gaffer : 11-05-2009 at 05:47 AM. |
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Nobel Prize winner on facts of earth's core temperature:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns_4p...layer_embedded I cannot begin to express how this impresses me. A politician cannot do math, obviously - the way they treat taxes and spending, but REALLY, errors on the order of 10 to the second power from a man who thinks global warming is happening because of tenths of degrees? He obviously deserves his igNOBEL prize for mathematics...........
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Well... As funny as the factual error was in itself (), it was still just a split second of slipping on the facts. It had no real bearing in his argumentation for geothermal energy.
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Sadly, no. It is the pattern of the distinguished gentleman.
You might also consider this from today's edition of that paragon of right-wing revisionist denialism, Der Spiegel: |
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Say Alcuin, did you ever look at the several responses on that long post of yours?
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