10-17-2002, 08:42 PM | #381 |
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Not that this is on topic, but America went into WWI because Germany was trying to make an alliance with Mexico, thus causing havoc on home soil so to speak.
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10-17-2002, 08:55 PM | #383 |
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Same song different day
...................... JD when, and if, you finally make a decision where you stand on this be sure to let me know
Khamul asked yesterday to let it drop and I said I would until the news changes, it did and I added some posts, are you still talking about Iraq or are you just trying to defend any stance that the USA takes. As you said yesterday "I'll drop it if they will" personally I would love to hear from another american who shares your point of view ........actually I would love to hear from ANYONE who shares your point of view..................let me know when you find someone because, to be frank you repeat and then contradict yourself over and over again ....................... this is a personal critisicm, as I'm sure your aware, pls don't forget the pm service for any remarks you may have on this |
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On topic: How is it we knew the count, type and location of the Soviet weapons yet we have such a hard time getting hard info on Irag? Is it because they have very little to hide? Well, if it does come to war we can at least hope they fold quickly. It won't be much of a fight anyway.
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You obviously don't understand you think that the whole issue is black and white. Again you say that I don't support invasion of Iraq if they have WMD - and that isn't true. I said that we would have to look at the situation. If they were able to lob an ICBM and nuke London - then I think we'd have to reconcider the situation. if they had WMD that weren't that powerful - but refused to dismantle and stop production - then yes I do support war (But again I'd have to see the situation when the time came). There are a lot of variables to determine and things that can change. For one thing the situation with North Korea changes some things, the support of allies changes some things, the reception of weapons inspectors in Iraq changes some things, future terrorist attacks changes some things, the feelings of Arab countries changes some things, etc etc. Surely you can understand that everything must be weighed. Right now weapons inspectors are supposed to go into Iraq - so am I for invading Iraq right this minute? No I'm not. I think we should wait for the weapons inspectors. I have said this repeatedly but you keep wanting me to reword it so you can understand. I had ALSO said in this thread that I would prefer to take Hussein out in the heart of darkness than have an all out war. These are ALL true. They do not contradict one another. And I'm not going to PM you because I can careless if you personally attack me. It doesn't affect my life what so ever what you think of me or my opinions. You are more than capable of PMing me if you want to take this "offline".
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There was a lot of stuff that came out after the cold war that the US was surprised at. Even during the Cuba Missile Crisis - it just came out that the subs we were firing on carried nuclear weapons. At that time US did not think that the Soviet Union had armed their subs with nuclear weapons.
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10-17-2002, 09:37 PM | #389 |
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Ah, going back into speculative territory are we?
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10-17-2002, 09:37 PM | #390 |
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My dear JD I have absolutely no interest in attacking you
However the endless tirade of referrences to WW2, America attacking Europe etc were becoming a little tiresome Ah, again you misunderstand me, I never claimed that the problem of Iraq was "black and white" in fact I think you will find if you re-read my posts I was discussing that it was exactly the opposite, that there are many questions still regarding Iraq and that America, by threatening war, was reducing the problem of Iraq to a "black and white" choice..........I will say this yet again DO NOT TRY TO PUT WORDS INTO MY MOUTH!...........you are beyond contempt JD. You have constantly shifted your opinion (take a good look at your posts) you try to justify this by making, in your eyes, a distinction between your personal opinion and that of your government. My point in this discussion has alway been HOW IS AMERICA BOTH LEGALLY AND MORALLY JUSTUSTIFEID BY THREATENING IRAQ WITH PHYSICAL VIOLENCE?............the question remains. |
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Yes we do look after our own country. I do not mean to say that other countries shouldn't do that at all! But one of the differences between Canada and the US is that the US is hugely militaristic and while the US spends about 280 billion on their military a year Canada spends about 8 billion a year. Most of what Canada's military does is peacekeeping anyways.
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Do think the only reason Hussein has agreed to weapons inspectors is because of fear of invation and now this gives him stalling time so he can prepare and hide his weapons and equipment. Also - so he can produce some signs in ENGLISH that say "hospital" and "Baby Food Factory" on them.
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Intelligence can be massaged to get the desired answer. If you see a new building in a complex it could be a weapons factory or a machine shop, depending on what one wants to see..
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