04-07-2005, 06:26 PM | #381 | |
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Y'know, I think it boils down to this: is God, the One who set up this system, loving and good and all-knowing, and does He honor and love men and women equally and care equally for their welfare? I think the answer is a resounding "yes".
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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04-07-2005, 06:31 PM | #382 | |
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04-07-2005, 06:33 PM | #383 | |
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That's one way it works sometimes - he'll say, "you decide here, because you know more in this area." But I have chosen to let him make that call. And I make a ton of decisions on my own - it's not like I'm asking him about every decision. I think that most of the objections that people have to the idea of Biblical submission are based on seeing abuses of it. Really, the times that it actually happens that we disagree and I choose to let him make the decision are not very frequent.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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Maybe we're just in a word-usage like Inked and I were a few posts ago now? Quote:
Husband: Let's send our son to military school! Wife: I know he spray painted a car, but I don't think this would help. Husband: I'm the man and my decision is final. Wife: Oh please. *rolls eyes* This is not a good idea and I won't go along with it. Instead, I think he should pay for the damage out of his own pocket. Husband: That is a better idea. We'll do that. I don't think your husband (from what you've said of him around the board) would utter the phrase "I'm the man and my decision is final" but it's late and I can't think of a better example. I may edit in a better example later. Quote:
Further understanding, especially about how Christ loves the Church, will (hopefully) be aquired upon reading the Bible.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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04-07-2005, 06:38 PM | #388 |
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rian i think i got a handle of what you were inferring: that in your relationship there is a lot of trust and mutual respect and therefore you had no personal problem with due regard to the respect of your husband's love, character and judgement in giving final say to him at a pinch as an agreed course of action, but would never do so if you seriouslt thought it wrong - is that correct?
If so fair enough - if it works for you and you are truly happy with it But you have surely got to see how JD and LCOU and (even Nurvingiel in her own slightly different way) see this as unequal and - it appears -almost doctrinal submission? How much is this through religious doctrine and how much through your own personal choice and free- will? Asi said above i think i understand where you are coming from (not personally - HAH! y'know?)- and if you are happy great! but i can't quite grasp why you have seem not to understand the response, ref: clear cut case of leader? Ps any improvement on the washing / laundry situation? |
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Can't explain more now, gtg get the kiddos!
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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BTW, my oldest son (almost 15) has now been doing his own laundry during the summer for the past 2 years. AMAZING how the number of his clothes that need to be washed go drastically down! ALL of my kids - no matter what their sex - will be able to do ALL household chores.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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But considering that my father and I both did very similar things to her husband without either of us knowing, I think it's rather telling on how my family works. When I first met her husband before they were married - he was in NY - we met - and I basically laid out the "ground rules" and told him that I needed a report on why he felt he was good enough for my sister and worthy enough to enter into our family. Needless to say - I was only half joking. My sister is my sister and she WILL BE treated with respect and as an INTELLIGENT and INDEPENDANT person. Tne as it ended up - my father did the very same thing - but my father went one step further and even had a contract made out for him to sign
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that must be the irish in you JD
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well you ain't marrying my sister mate (dad took the pen for the contract with him to his grave!) how did your brother in law take all that? was your sister pleased (as an independent person)or pissed? |
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ah, so not the ten brothers with baseball bats, thats how we work in the old country
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I wonder if JD and his dad would question a potential sister/daughter-in-law that way? Interesting thought!
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As for whether it does indicate that she is an "INTELLIGENT and INDEPENDANT" person - yeah it does. It was my sister's decision to marry him - I wasn't going to stop it even if I didn't like him. However - as I said - hell would be paid if he didn't treat her right. It has nothing to do with her being woman as you are trying so desperately to claim it seems. It has to do with respect and my love for my sister. I think my brother's wife is annoying for the same reasons I sometimes have problems with my sister's husband. When my brother was out on leave a couple of years ago - and we went into NY - she called him every 5 minutes. We';d walka block and there she would be calling him back to see if he was okay. So yes - my feeling is the same for both of them.Oh - and she wouldn't let him take a greyhound bus because there had been a crash, and he couldn't take the train, and he couldn't take a plane - which made it very difficult for him to come visit me when he was in Washington DC.
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