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Old 12-18-2003, 01:42 PM   #21
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I would say Earendil and Elwing. From them their sons contained the blood of all three divisions of the Eldar and the three houses of the Edain, plus alittle bit of Ainur. There marrige over all might not have a big impact on ME I have always found in amazing how Tolkien was able to bring all of it together in Elrond and Elros. From Elrond a stran of Edain and Maiar was brought to the Elves, and from Elros a stran of Eldar and Maiar was brought to Men, which all came back together with Aragorn and Arwen.

The marriage Earendil and Elwing might not be the greatest marrige in ME, but it has always had a big impact on me.
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Old 12-18-2003, 01:53 PM   #22
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what about Elwe and Melian? I mean that's the ONLY marriage between an Ainu and an elf...without that...then there would be no strain of the Ainur to come to men and elves I suppose
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Old 12-18-2003, 02:06 PM   #23
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So for me, it's a bit of a tie between Finwë's marriage with Indis and Idril's marriage with Tuor.
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'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin

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Old 12-18-2003, 03:37 PM   #24
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While Finwë and MÃ*riel provided Fëanor, their situation alone would never have led to the exodus of the Noldor to Middle-earth and all the consequences that brought to the history of Middle-earth.
maybe, but no argument can be made for anything happening without Fëanor... even in your arguments, he's the other half of the friction, so at the very least, his parents should be part of that tie
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Old 12-18-2003, 04:38 PM   #25
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True. Without Fëanor himself the noldorin history (and that of the rest of Middle-earth) would be very monotone indeed. However, if I look at the number of different consequences of both marriages of Finwë, personally I think his second marriage with Indis was more influential on the events that followed than his marriage with MÃ*riel.
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Old 12-18-2003, 05:29 PM   #26
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it's a tough thing to measure, but if you look at it from that perspective Celebrimbor, grandson of Fëanor, has to be taken into account... he is arguably one of the most influential, post-FA

i guess i've just always seen the house of Finwë, through the line of Fëanor as the primary "movers" of events throughout the series... granted, this was often in a bad way, but i think few influenced the history of middle earth more (other than maybe Melkor)
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Old 12-19-2003, 11:55 AM   #27
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Not quite, as Luthien and Beren's child was Dior. Dior became the King of Doriath and had three children. They were Eluréd, ElurÃ*n and Elwing. Eluréd & ElurÃ*n weren't really noted as doing much as they in were lost in the assault on Doriath by the Sons of Fëanor. Elwing, as we all know is very important, as she married Eärendil thus producing Elrond and Elros.
But the Dunedain were descended from him. The kings of Gondor & Arnor, the Norhtern Rangers, as well as Elrond and co.
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Old 12-19-2003, 04:59 PM   #28
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But the Dunedain were descended from him. The kings of Gondor & Arnor, the Norhtern Rangers, as well as Elrond and co.
They are only half descended from him, as I show above his descendant Elwing marries the descendant of Tuor and Idril, who is none of than Eärendil...
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'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin

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Old 12-24-2003, 10:44 PM   #29
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My favorite couple is Eowyn and Faramir, but I guess the most important was Beren and Luthien. They were the first union between an Elf and a mortal, and many people, both Elf and Human were decended from them. Earendil, Elrond, Elros, Aragorn, Arwen, Elendil, Isildur, Anarion, and possibly Faramir and Boromir, to name just a few.
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My favorite couple is Eowyn and Faramir, but I guess the most important was Beren and Luthien. They were the first union between an Elf and a mortal, and many people, both Elf and Human were decended from them. Earendil, Elrond, Elros, Aragorn, Arwen, Elendil, Isildur, Anarion, and possibly Faramir and Boromir, to name just a few.
Earendil was NOT descended from Beren and Luthien. Their son Dior had a daughter, Elwing. Elwing married Earendil...Earendil was the son of Tuor and Idril...
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'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin

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