how many of you care about lotr winning oscars? - Page 2

Nazgul King Squirrel · 06-28-2003, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LutraMage
If you don't care about the movies, why bother to post a thread on the Movie Forum?

Now, LutraMage you should read what one is saying first, before complaining.
I said I don’t care if they win the Oscars, because they are not LotR. Not the same thing you are saying, is it?

LutraMage · 06-28-2003, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nazgul King Squirrel
Now, LutraMage you should read what one is saying first, before complaining.
I said I don’t care if they win the Oscars, because they are not LotR. Not the same thing you are saying, is it?

I'm a little confused.

Your first quote was

Quote:

"Since the movies are not really about tLotR why would I care?"

So I thought you were saying you don't care if the LotR's movies don't win the Oscars, because they are not the 'real' LotR (ie the books). If I got that wrong I'm sorry NKS

However, if I did get it wrong, what did you mean exactly?

Nazgul King Squirrel · 06-28-2003, 01:28 PM

Are they entertaining movies? Yes, they are reasonable sword & sorcery movies and I enjoyed them.

Are they truly LotR? No, they are inspired in tLotR but are not LotR.

Are they classics that I would feel it as an injustice if they don’t win the Oscars? No. But then, I don’t enjoy only Oscar material.

Spock · 06-28-2003, 01:42 PM

"quote"
Are they truly LotR? No, they are inspired in tLotR but are not LotR

......so the books are LOTR but nothing else is? or do you think other movies are real and LOTR, TTT,ROTK are fantasy?........
...................."reality, what a concept".........

Nazgul King Squirrel · 06-28-2003, 03:27 PM

No, calling something LotR doesn’t makes it LotR.

If they don’t do the same thing they do in the book, if they don’t speak the same lines they do in the book, if their personality is not the same of those in the book, they cannot be the same, can they? Calling them by the same names doesn’t make them the same. Logic, Mr. Spock, logic.

Spock · 06-28-2003, 03:32 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nazgul King Squirrel
[B]No, calling something LotR doesn’t makes it LotR.

If they don’t do the same thing they do in the book, if they don’t speak the same lines they do in the book, if their personality is not the same of those in the book, they cannot be the same, can they? Calling them by the same names doesn’t make them the same. Logic, Mr. Spock, logic.
I completely agree and understand. However, I've yet to see a movie that was that perfect. Some are closer than others to the book version but none are exact. By your definition no movie is worth it?[ [URL=http://www.bellaonline.com/birding/photos/squi/squirrel.jpg[/IMG]

Hasty Ent · 06-28-2003, 05:13 PM

I haven't seen TTT (tho' I'll probably rent the extended edition DVD once it's out), but I did see FoTR. Could NOT care less if any of the LoTR movies win, but I have to say I'm surprised FoTR didn't win. The Oscars, after all, are not about quality or artistic vision. They are about box office and popular appeal.

As proof, here are three miscarriages of justice (there are many more, believe me):

2000 Best Actress: Julia Roberts for Erin Brockovich beat out Ellen Burstyn in Requiem for a Dream
1976 Best Picture: Rocky beat Taxi Driver
1964 Best Picture: My Fair Lady won instead of Dr Strangelove

we curse the Academy, we do!

Nazgul King Squirrel · 06-29-2003, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Spock

I completely agree and understand. However, I've yet to see a movie that was that perfect. Some are closer than others to the book version but none are exact. By your definition no movie is worth it? [URL=http://www.bellaonline.com/birding/photos/squi/squirrel.jpg[/IMG]

Some directors want to make their movies as close of the original as they can. Sometimes we, the viewers, see their movies and see it as truly a version of the book, different, but close enough. Sometimes being close to the book is good, sometimes is not.
Yet, sometimes the director don’t want to ”just” make the movie version of the book, and wants to tell a story, his story, based on the book. A valid option, and that is what I believe PJ did.

By the way, nice squirrel pic.

***gdl96*** · 07-01-2003, 03:57 PM

I haven't been in this forum in a while...and now i see why. Too many damn purists.

Anyway, I do think the movie deserves to win many Oscars next year.

Radagast The Brown · 07-01-2003, 04:25 PM

I don't care, no... well, I do want them to win, but I won't be sad if they won't win.

The Dunadan · 07-01-2003, 05:48 PM

i'm going to be sooo angry if ROTK doesn't win best picture, we already got robbed cause FOTR didn't win, a beautiful mind did. i know ROTK will be a nomination, and better win!

Lalaith · 07-05-2003, 06:59 AM

Of course I want LotR to win oscars but if not ... I won't die.

Spock · 07-05-2003, 09:49 AM

Let's hope you're right and you don't die if TTT doesn't win.

As for your Cayman experience, sounds like it was a positive growth experience. Having been to those islands several times I find them delightful.

***IronParrot*** · 07-08-2003, 02:07 PM

I, for one, care about the movies winning Oscars.

Nobody's pretending that the Oscars are some kind of authority on what's good, bad and ugly on the movie scene in a given year. Nobody will ever agree with every single one of their choices (nor will they disagree with all of them), and everybody can point to a few years when the upsets were outrageous (Shakespeare in Love over Saving Private Ryan? A Beautiful Mind over both Moulin Rouge! and The Fellowship of the Ring?).

But at the same time, nobody can deny that the Oscars have tremendous influence, and are important to the film industry in the same way box office tallies are.

Simply put: if a risky, high-quality fantasy film wins a whole smackload of Oscars, the big production companies will be more likely to finance similarly huge fantasy projects, or future films by the same director. George Lucas got the money to do Star Wars because American Graffiti was such a hit with moviegoers and critics alike. It's a chain reaction: movie wins Oscars, movie makes more money, studios begin to wonder what that movie did right and start financing similar projects. The result: more good movies.

Awards will also mean continued prestige for the films, though the impact is much bigger on smaller films than these big ones. There are many classic films I would never have stumbled upon had they not been rewarded with as many awards as they did in order to pique my interest. I was first introduced to Gone With The Wind because I was interested in how any film could possibly top The Wizard of Oz in awards in 1939. I heard of Cabaret because it was the film that very nearly beat The Godfather. This is how we remember movies like An American in Paris. More recently, this is how so many people were introduced to the sensation that was Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon - because it got a whopping ten nominations, a record for a foreign-language film.

Last but not least, here's something specific to LOTR: if it nabs up a Best Picture, it will break the sci-fi/fantasy curse that put Annie Hall over Star Wars, Chariots of Fire over Raiders of the Lost Ark, Gandhi over E.T.. Nobody can deny that genre films - good genre films - have been marginalized. LOTR is the perfect film to break that trend, as well as the misconception that films like it are "popcorn movies" by default, when these few special ones are in fact far greater.

Best of all: if the film wins Oscars, more people will read the book. Cases in point: I otherwise would never have read Mario Puzo's The Godfather or Margaret Mitchell's Gone With The Wind.

On the other hand, LOTR could enter the pantheon of legendary films that didn't win (and arguably already has). Citizen Kane, Singin' in the Rain, 2001: A Space Odyssey - the list goes on.

Agalayth · 07-08-2003, 10:04 PM

Well said, IronParrot! I do hope they win the awards, and if they don't I do admit that I'll be rather disappointed. If they don't, it's not the end of the world. But the more awards, the more attention the movie gets. As the last movie in the trilogy, I truly hope that the Return of the King gets some awards.

Lizra · 07-08-2003, 10:21 PM

Annie Hall! Ugh! Don't remind me!

wahine · 07-09-2003, 12:31 PM

I think the movie itself is unworthy, but the soundtrack was truly marvelous.

Go Howard!

Lalaith · 07-09-2003, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by IronParrot
Nobody's pretending that the Oscars are some kind of authority on what's good, bad and ugly on the movie scene in a given year. Nobody will ever agree with every single one of their choices (nor will they disagree with all of them), and everybody can point to a few years when the upsets were outrageous (Shakespeare in Love over Saving Private Ryan? A Beautiful Mind over both Moulin Rouge! and The Fellowship of the Ring?).

Amen.

hectorberlioz · 07-20-2003, 09:10 PM

I can say this. The A.M.P.A.S. only(mostly) picks are biographical films, theres nothing wrong with that, but if rotk doesnt win there will be! I was sad for the losses of some of my favs though i.e...ghandi over e.t., annie hall over starwars,chariots of fire over raidersof the lost ark, terms of endearment over the mission, and so on....

p.s: i see my thread is in favor?

hectorberlioz · 07-29-2003, 11:00 PM

06-28-2003, 01:28 PM	#23
Nazgul King Squirrel Hobbit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On an Ent Posts: 29	Are they entertaining movies? Yes, they are reasonable sword & sorcery movies and I enjoyed them. Are they truly LotR? No, they are inspired in tLotR but are not LotR. Are they classics that I would feel it as an injustice if they don’t win the Oscars? No. But then, I don’t enjoy only Oscar material. __________________ I'm bad, no really... QUOTES: “We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we weren't going to put any of our own politics, our own messages or our own themes into these movies. What we were trying to do was to analyze what was important to Tolkien and to try to honor that. In a way, we were trying to make these films for him, not for ourselves. “ PJ “Obviously we're taking this incredible novel and we're adapting it into films, and I think the film is the important thing. “ Peter Jackson on The Today Show, December 5, 2002

06-28-2003, 01:42 PM	#24
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	"quote" Are they truly LotR? No, they are inspired in tLotR but are not LotR ......so the books are LOTR but nothing else is? or do you think other movies are real and LOTR, TTT,ROTK are fantasy?........ ...................."reality, what a concept"......... __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

06-28-2003, 03:27 PM	#25
Nazgul King Squirrel Hobbit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On an Ent Posts: 29	No, calling something LotR doesn’t makes it LotR. If they don’t do the same thing they do in the book, if they don’t speak the same lines they do in the book, if their personality is not the same of those in the book, they cannot be the same, can they? Calling them by the same names doesn’t make them the same. Logic, Mr. Spock, logic. __________________ I'm bad, no really... QUOTES: “We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we weren't going to put any of our own politics, our own messages or our own themes into these movies. What we were trying to do was to analyze what was important to Tolkien and to try to honor that. In a way, we were trying to make these films for him, not for ourselves. “ PJ “Obviously we're taking this incredible novel and we're adapting it into films, and I think the film is the important thing. “ Peter Jackson on The Today Show, December 5, 2002

06-28-2003, 03:32 PM	#26
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nazgul King Squirrel [B]No, calling something LotR doesn’t makes it LotR. If they don’t do the same thing they do in the book, if they don’t speak the same lines they do in the book, if their personality is not the same of those in the book, they cannot be the same, can they? Calling them by the same names doesn’t make them the same. Logic, Mr. Spock, logic. I completely agree and understand. However, I've yet to see a movie that was that perfect. Some are closer than others to the book version but none are exact. By your definition no movie is worth it?[ [URL=http://www.bellaonline.com/birding/photos/squi/squirrel.jpg[/IMG] __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." Last edited by Spock : 06-28-2003 at 03:47 PM.

06-28-2003, 05:13 PM	#27
Hasty Ent Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 516	I haven't seen TTT (tho' I'll probably rent the extended edition DVD once it's out), but I did see FoTR. Could NOT care less if any of the LoTR movies win, but I have to say I'm surprised FoTR didn't win. The Oscars, after all, are not about quality or artistic vision. They are about box office and popular appeal. As proof, here are three miscarriages of justice (there are many more, believe me): 2000 Best Actress: Julia Roberts for Erin Brockovich beat out Ellen Burstyn in Requiem for a Dream 1976 Best Picture: Rocky beat Taxi Driver 1964 Best Picture: My Fair Lady won instead of Dr Strangelove we curse the Academy, we do! __________________ Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it. George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950)

07-01-2003, 03:57 PM	#29
*gdl96* the greg the admin Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: NJ Posts: 2,101	I haven't been in this forum in a while...and now i see why. Too many damn purists. Anyway, I do think the movie deserves to win many Oscars next year.

07-01-2003, 04:25 PM	#30
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	I don't care, no... well, I do want them to win, but I won't be sad if they won't win. __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

07-01-2003, 05:48 PM	#31
The Dunadan Sapling Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ventura Ca Posts: 6	i'm going to be sooo angry if ROTK doesn't win best picture, we already got robbed cause FOTR didn't win, a beautiful mind did. i know ROTK will be a nomination, and better win! __________________ Andrew

07-05-2003, 06:59 AM	#32
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	Of course I want LotR to win oscars but if not ... I won't die. __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

07-05-2003, 09:49 AM	#33
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	Let's hope you're right and you don't die if TTT doesn't win. As for your Cayman experience, sounds like it was a positive growth experience. Having been to those islands several times I find them delightful. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

07-08-2003, 02:07 PM	#34
*IronParrot* Fowl Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Calgary or Edmonton, Canada Posts: 53,420	I, for one, care about the movies winning Oscars. Nobody's pretending that the Oscars are some kind of authority on what's good, bad and ugly on the movie scene in a given year. Nobody will ever agree with every single one of their choices (nor will they disagree with all of them), and everybody can point to a few years when the upsets were outrageous (Shakespeare in Love over Saving Private Ryan? A Beautiful Mind over both Moulin Rouge! and The Fellowship of the Ring?). But at the same time, nobody can deny that the Oscars have tremendous influence, and are important to the film industry in the same way box office tallies are. Simply put: if a risky, high-quality fantasy film wins a whole smackload of Oscars, the big production companies will be more likely to finance similarly huge fantasy projects, or future films by the same director. George Lucas got the money to do Star Wars because American Graffiti was such a hit with moviegoers and critics alike. It's a chain reaction: movie wins Oscars, movie makes more money, studios begin to wonder what that movie did right and start financing similar projects. The result: more good movies. Awards will also mean continued prestige for the films, though the impact is much bigger on smaller films than these big ones. There are many classic films I would never have stumbled upon had they not been rewarded with as many awards as they did in order to pique my interest. I was first introduced to Gone With The Wind because I was interested in how any film could possibly top The Wizard of Oz in awards in 1939. I heard of Cabaret because it was the film that very nearly beat The Godfather. This is how we remember movies like An American in Paris. More recently, this is how so many people were introduced to the sensation that was Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon - because it got a whopping ten nominations, a record for a foreign-language film. Last but not least, here's something specific to LOTR: if it nabs up a Best Picture, it will break the sci-fi/fantasy curse that put Annie Hall over Star Wars, Chariots of Fire over Raiders of the Lost Ark, Gandhi over E.T.. Nobody can deny that genre films - good genre films - have been marginalized. LOTR is the perfect film to break that trend, as well as the misconception that films like it are "popcorn movies" by default, when these few special ones are in fact far greater. Best of all: if the film wins Oscars, more people will read the book. Cases in point: I otherwise would never have read Mario Puzo's The Godfather or Margaret Mitchell's Gone With The Wind. On the other hand, LOTR could enter the pantheon of legendary films that didn't win (and arguably already has). Citizen Kane, Singin' in the Rain, 2001: A Space Odyssey - the list goes on. __________________ All of IronParrot's posts are guaranteed to be 100% intelligent and/or sarcastic, comprising no genetically modified content and tested on no cute furry little animals unless the SPCA is looking elsewhere. If you observe a failure to uphold this warranty, please contact a forum administrator immediately to receive a full refund on your Entmoot registration. Blog: Nick's Café Canadien

07-08-2003, 10:04 PM	#35
Agalayth Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 215	Well said, IronParrot! I do hope they win the awards, and if they don't I do admit that I'll be rather disappointed. If they don't, it's not the end of the world. But the more awards, the more attention the movie gets. As the last movie in the trilogy, I truly hope that the Return of the King gets some awards. __________________ Chickens at rest will stay at rest unless acted upon by an unbalanced force. Chickens in motion tend to cross the road.

07-08-2003, 10:21 PM	#36
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	Annie Hall! Ugh! Don't remind me! __________________ Happy Atheist Go Democrats!

07-09-2003, 12:31 PM	#37
wahine The Original Amazonian Coconut Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Answering no questions, telling no lies. Posts: 753	I think the movie itself is unworthy, but the soundtrack was truly marvelous. Go Howard! __________________ Hem, hem

07-20-2003, 09:10 PM	#39
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	I can say this. The A.M.P.A.S. only(mostly) picks are biographical films, theres nothing wrong with that, but if rotk doesnt win there will be! I was sad for the losses of some of my favs though i.e...ghandi over e.t., annie hall over starwars,chariots of fire over raidersof the lost ark, terms of endearment over the mission, and so on.... p.s: i see my thread is in favor?

07-29-2003, 11:00 PM	#40
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