Who is the strongest character? - Page 2

Balrog_of_Morgoth · 02-03-2003, 09:20 PM

If we are talking about the "good guys," I would say Gandalf, hands down. He is a Maia afterall. He cannot truly be killed.

He was able to resist the ring when it was right in front of him.

He was able to defeat a Balrog before losing his physical body, which consequently was a veil upon his true power.

He was able to sway the great and the wise with his mental toughness and wisdom.

Just going by lineage alone, next in line would be Galadriel wielding Nenya. Maybe Elrond with Vilya.

***azalea*** · 02-03-2003, 11:20 PM

Interesting above someone mentioning Bombadil: the two times we see him "battling," there is no battle. He uses his words/ position/ influence to defeat the enemy (Old Man Willow, Barrow Wights). That's an interesting take on strength, and reminds me of Gandalf being the one to light a flame under people (ie, Theoden), using his words, position, influence.

Gwaimir Windgem · 02-03-2003, 11:21 PM

When did Aragorn ever have any of that "Afraid of who he is" "Scared of his lineage" crap/junk?

#1GaMGeeGuRL · 02-04-2003, 09:40 AM

Out of the Fellowship:
Physically: Aragorn and Gimli
Mentally: Gandalf, Frodo and Aragorn
Strength of Character: Sam (no contest!)
Strong Comic Relief: Merry and Pippin (duh!)

Just an observation, I've noticed nobody thought pretty boy Legolas was very strong in any of these categories.

Gwaimir Windgem · 02-04-2003, 10:57 AM

Merry and Pippin are not supposed to be comic relief.

Gandalf is the most powerful overall of the Fellowship, no question.

#1GaMGeeGuRL · 02-04-2003, 11:01 AM

Merry and Pippin just turn out to be the comic relief in the movies. You're right. As far as books go they're not. And it depends on the situationt to see if Gandalf is the strongest. Against orcs say, everyone would have a fair shot at being the strongest character. But against a balrog, well Gandalf is the only one who knows the magic to fend it off. See what I mean?

Gwaimir Windgem · 02-04-2003, 11:12 AM

Gandalf is the strongest overall character; there is little/no doubt in my mind of that.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 02-04-2003, 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by eowyngirl14
Thats just it, Legolas edures the elements. He doesn't feel the cold, well if he does it doesn't arm him. He is like the witches from the HIS DARK MATERIELS trilogy. That doesn't make him strong, it makes him lucky!

Elves were resistant to the extreams of nature. That doesn't mean they were not effected by it. They just had a greater resistance than mortals. Read in the Sil, about when the Noldor came to Araman, and how they began to suffer anguish from the cold.

Laurus Nobilis · 02-04-2003, 02:56 PM

Interesting topic!

As for phyisical strength, I agree with everyone who mentioned Treebeard.

Mentally strongest, though... that's hard to answer. Most of the characters prove themselves much stronger than they looked. But, in my personal opinion, it's a tie between Frodo and Sam.

durin's bane · 02-04-2003, 07:32 PM

Well, here's my opinions:
Physically: Probably Gimli, but out of my favourites, Legolas or Gandalf
Mentally: Probably Sam and Frodo, they were the strongest to the resistance to the Ring (well, Frodo gave in, in the end, but he had to bear it for all those long miles, and for a whole year and stuff...)
Wisdom: Gandalf, hands down. Or perhaps Treebeard.
In characteistics: Gollum...he's one of the most complex characters I've ever read about! But, that's common for most of the Lord of the Rings characters. They've got layers and layers of characteristics.

Tar-Elendil · 02-04-2003, 09:22 PM

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Originally posted by Tar-Elendil
strongest character..
Eru is pretty obvious

what was i thinking?!?!

PIPPIN

Narsil's Master · 02-06-2003, 01:07 PM

excuse my powertrip i meant to ask who is the strongest physycally but got carried away with my plans of world domination. plus it was my first post and i was and still am a moron.

eowyngirl14 · 02-06-2003, 04:51 PM

treebeard!

francod · 02-06-2003, 05:58 PM

no doubt, who did not fear sauron?

eowyngirl14 · 02-06-2003, 06:01 PM

I don't fear Sauron!

I do however tremble at the sight ofTom Bombadil!

FrodoFriend · 02-07-2003, 07:16 AM

Did someone mention 'Frodo' and 'blanket' in the same sentence?

Just one point . . . Sam did not have to bear the Ring. If he had been the Bearer, I'm quite sure he wouldn't have managed it as well as Frodo. When subjected to the same test he would have done worse. Therefore I stick with Frodo as mentally toughest!

afro-elf · 02-07-2003, 08:03 PM

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Just an observation, I've noticed nobody thought pretty boy Legolas was very strong in any of these categories.

Not true one of the posters did mentionhimabove and ....

From JRRT

there was nothing filmy or transparent about the heroic or majestic Eldar of the Third Age of Middle-earth. Long afterwards, my father (Cristopher Tolkien's referring to Ronald - E.G.) would write, in a wrathful comment on a "pretty" or "ladylike" pictorial rendering of Legolas:
He was tall as a young tree, lithe, immensely strong, able swiftly to draw a great war-bow and shoot down a Nazgl, endowed with the tremendous vitality of Elvish bodies, so hard and resistant to hurt that he went only in light shoes over rock and through snow, the most tireless of all the Fellowship."
The Book of Lost Tales 2, "The History of Eriol or Aelfwine

urmom · 02-08-2003, 01:43 AM

i would say ur mom is the strongest :------ )(

gollum9630 · 02-09-2003, 03:18 PM

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eowyngirl14 · 02-09-2003, 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by gollum9630
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that seemed a littel inapropriate!!
I don't like Legolas either, but he is not gay! he may be a pretty boy elf- but he is not gay!

02-03-2003, 09:20 PM	#21
Balrog_of_Morgoth Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Parkersburg WV Posts: 110	If we are talking about the "good guys," I would say Gandalf, hands down. He is a Maia afterall. He cannot truly be killed. He was able to resist the ring when it was right in front of him. He was able to defeat a Balrog before losing his physical body, which consequently was a veil upon his true power. He was able to sway the great and the wise with his mental toughness and wisdom. Just going by lineage alone, next in line would be Galadriel wielding Nenya. Maybe Elrond with Vilya. __________________ Fingolfin: The Mighty Elven Lord who challenged Morgoth to single combat!

02-03-2003, 11:21 PM	#23
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	When did Aragorn ever have any of that "Afraid of who he is" "Scared of his lineage" crap/junk? __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

02-04-2003, 09:40 AM	#24
#1GaMGeeGuRL Enting Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: #3 Bagshot Row, Hobbiton, The Shire Posts: 71	Out of the Fellowship: Physically: Aragorn and Gimli Mentally: Gandalf, Frodo and Aragorn Strength of Character: Sam (no contest!) Strong Comic Relief: Merry and Pippin (duh!) Just an observation, I've noticed nobody thought pretty boy Legolas was very strong in any of these categories. __________________ "When life gives you lemons, clone them and make SUPER LEMONS!!!!!" ~Professor Scudworth LONG LIVE THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE WEE SCARVIES! you'll have to excuse me, i'm not at my best i've been gone for a month i've been drunk since i left there so-called vacations will soon be my death i'm so sick from teh drink i need home for a rest we arrived in december and london was cold so we stayed in thebars along charing cross road we never saw nothin' but brass taps and oak kept a shine on the bar with the sleeves of our coats -chorus- euston station the train journey north in the buffet car we lurched back and forth past odd crooked dykes through yorkshire's green fields we were flung into dance as the train jigged and reeled you'll have to excuse me, i'm not at my best i've been gone for a month i've been drunk since i left there so-called vacations will soon be my death i'm so sick from teh drink i need home for a rest take me home.... by the light of the moon she'd drift through the streets a rare old perfume so seductive and sweet she'd tease us and flirt as the pubs all closed down then walk us on home and deny us a round -chorus- the gas heater's empty, it's damp as a tomb and the spirits we drank are not ghosts in the room i'm knackered again, come on sleep take me soon and don't lift up my head 'till the the twelve bells at noon you'll have to excuse me, i'm not at my best i've been gone for a month i've been drunk since i left there so-called vacations will soon be my death i'm so sick from teh drink i need home for a rest take me home....

02-04-2003, 10:57 AM	#25
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Merry and Pippin are not supposed to be comic relief. Gandalf is the most powerful overall of the Fellowship, no question. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

02-04-2003, 11:01 AM	#26
#1GaMGeeGuRL Enting Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: #3 Bagshot Row, Hobbiton, The Shire Posts: 71	Merry and Pippin just turn out to be the comic relief in the movies. You're right. As far as books go they're not. And it depends on the situationt to see if Gandalf is the strongest. Against orcs say, everyone would have a fair shot at being the strongest character. But against a balrog, well Gandalf is the only one who knows the magic to fend it off. See what I mean? __________________ "When life gives you lemons, clone them and make SUPER LEMONS!!!!!" ~Professor Scudworth LONG LIVE THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE WEE SCARVIES! you'll have to excuse me, i'm not at my best i've been gone for a month i've been drunk since i left there so-called vacations will soon be my death i'm so sick from teh drink i need home for a rest we arrived in december and london was cold so we stayed in thebars along charing cross road we never saw nothin' but brass taps and oak kept a shine on the bar with the sleeves of our coats -chorus- euston station the train journey north in the buffet car we lurched back and forth past odd crooked dykes through yorkshire's green fields we were flung into dance as the train jigged and reeled you'll have to excuse me, i'm not at my best i've been gone for a month i've been drunk since i left there so-called vacations will soon be my death i'm so sick from teh drink i need home for a rest take me home.... by the light of the moon she'd drift through the streets a rare old perfume so seductive and sweet she'd tease us and flirt as the pubs all closed down then walk us on home and deny us a round -chorus- the gas heater's empty, it's damp as a tomb and the spirits we drank are not ghosts in the room i'm knackered again, come on sleep take me soon and don't lift up my head 'till the the twelve bells at noon you'll have to excuse me, i'm not at my best i've been gone for a month i've been drunk since i left there so-called vacations will soon be my death i'm so sick from teh drink i need home for a rest take me home....

02-03-2003, 11:20 PM	#22
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	Interesting above someone mentioning Bombadil: the two times we see him "battling," there is no battle. He uses his words/ position/ influence to defeat the enemy (Old Man Willow, Barrow Wights). That's an interesting take on strength, and reminds me of Gandalf being the one to light a flame under people (ie, Theoden), using his words, position, influence.

02-04-2003, 11:12 AM	#27
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Gandalf is the strongest overall character; there is little/no doubt in my mind of that. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

02-04-2003, 02:56 PM	#29
Laurus Nobilis Enting Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 73	Interesting topic! As for phyisical strength, I agree with everyone who mentioned Treebeard. Mentally strongest, though... that's hard to answer. Most of the characters prove themselves much stronger than they looked. But, in my personal opinion, it's a tie between Frodo and Sam.

02-04-2003, 07:32 PM	#30
durin's bane Lady of Westernesse Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Canada (Help! Our parliament building is melting!) Posts: 761	Well, here's my opinions: Physically: Probably Gimli, but out of my favourites, Legolas or Gandalf Mentally: Probably Sam and Frodo, they were the strongest to the resistance to the Ring (well, Frodo gave in, in the end, but he had to bear it for all those long miles, and for a whole year and stuff...) Wisdom: Gandalf, hands down. Or perhaps Treebeard. In characteistics: Gollum...he's one of the most complex characters I've ever read about! But, that's common for most of the Lord of the Rings characters. They've got layers and layers of characteristics. __________________ Yada, yada, yada

02-06-2003, 01:07 PM	#32
Narsil's Master Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Indian,USA Posts: 109	excuse my powertrip i meant to ask who is the strongest physycally but got carried away with my plans of world domination. plus it was my first post and i was and still am a moron. __________________ naur an edraith amen, naur dan i ngaurhoth! well your on fire now. go team fencing!!!! fingolfin rox elven sox

02-06-2003, 04:51 PM	#33
eowyngirl14 i don't know what i am talking about either, so don't ask Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,353	treebeard! __________________ 'The coming of dawn is ever the hope to the heart of men' -Aragorn 'Then I will die as one of them' -Aragorn TTT movie “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety” - Benjamin Franklin arms are made for hugging avatar from the avatar shop! made by Eowyn, Lady of Rohan

02-06-2003, 05:58 PM	#34
francod Enting Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: on the goblin king's throne Posts: 62	sauron no doubt, who did not fear sauron? __________________ Sauron is deadest guy in all of deadonia.

02-06-2003, 06:01 PM	#35
eowyngirl14 i don't know what i am talking about either, so don't ask Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,353	I don't fear Sauron! I do however tremble at the sight ofTom Bombadil! __________________ 'The coming of dawn is ever the hope to the heart of men' -Aragorn 'Then I will die as one of them' -Aragorn TTT movie “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety” - Benjamin Franklin arms are made for hugging avatar from the avatar shop! made by Eowyn, Lady of Rohan

02-07-2003, 07:16 AM	#36
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	Did someone mention 'Frodo' and 'blanket' in the same sentence? Just one point . . . Sam did not have to bear the Ring. If he had been the Bearer, I'm quite sure he wouldn't have managed it as well as Frodo. When subjected to the same test he would have done worse. Therefore I stick with Frodo as mentally toughest! __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

02-08-2003, 01:43 AM	#38
urmom Sapling Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12	i would say ur mom is the strongest :------ )(

02-09-2003, 03:18 PM	#39
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