Two towers sex scean????? - Page 2

BeardofPants · 11-16-2002, 01:40 AM

A very good point Sam, and I'm glad you had the presence of mind to point it out, cos it saves me an irate post.

Why WOULD Aragorn and Arwen et al feel the need to fool around? They've been patient enough to get this far. Besides, I can't see Tolkien trying to insert premarital sex into his works.

olsonm · 11-16-2002, 01:42 AM

It is a good point. Fortunately it is a moot one. (no pun intended!

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cassiopeia · 11-16-2002, 05:15 AM

Well, I don't really blame Arwen, how could she resist?

Really, though, I would be very very surprised if there was any sexual connotation in the next two movies. I trust Peter Jackson and I feel that he has gotten the feeling of the first movie correct. Still, it doesn't stop me going through the books, looking for a scene with Aragorn with his shirt off.

Amandil · 11-16-2002, 09:09 AM

Okay, Miranda, Mr. Bloom didn't look that bad in Blackhawk Down...

bropous · 11-16-2002, 11:05 AM

Agreed wholeheartedly that the inclusion of any premarital sex in the films would fly directly into the face of Ronald's own beliefs.

Fortunately, it is all a red herring.

Firekitten2006 · 11-16-2002, 07:13 PM

I think if there was ANY premarital sex in these movies Tolkein would be turning in his grave. Remember, he was a Catholic, and I believe I read somewhere that he was pretty religious.

Entlover · 11-16-2002, 08:27 PM

Okay,
but what is the "fantasy horror scene" referring to?
Any guesses?

scott100 · 11-16-2002, 08:49 PM

Does that mean we can all breathe normally again?

scott100 · 11-16-2002, 08:57 PM

"Agreed wholeheartedly that the inclusion of any premarital sex in the films would fly directly into the face of Ronald's own beliefs."

Come on, who are you kidding. Tolks went to Oxford University remember.

Heather Wooltoes · 11-16-2002, 09:10 PM

Am I the the only one who wonders about Elvish sexual practices? Think about it.....Arwen almost 3000 years old...STILL a virgin??...ouch... Elrond separated from his wife for so long....might explain why he came off so frustrated in the film....

OK Im gonna stop thinking now......

Elvish age for menopause?

Ok REALLY stop thinking now....
about the questions (though legit.) that would be inappropriate for this site.

Shadowfax · 11-16-2002, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Entlover
Okay,
but what is the "fantasy horror scene" referring to?
Any guesses?

Yeah, I'm not sure either. Probably it has to do with all them ugly orcs and such, though.

scott100 · 11-16-2002, 09:19 PM

No, it's because there's very little distinction between male and female. Mind you after 3000 years...

scott100 · 11-16-2002, 09:22 PM

3000 years and still a virgin? Easy to see why she chose to become mortal.

jerseydevil · 11-16-2002, 09:34 PM

Sween - I guess you missed this thread I had posted a long time ago - Arwen and Aragorn scene. cassiopeia - that was me, not Tater. Tater just explained what the scene was about. i didn't want to give a lot of details at the time. He does though. I had posted this back in May.

BeardofPants · 11-16-2002, 10:16 PM

You hoping more people will fall for that, JD?

jerseydevil · 11-16-2002, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BeardofPants
You hoping more people will fall for that, JD?

It's the truth. Just because you don't believe it. Haven't you seen the kissing scene in the new TT trailer? They even show Treebeard picking up Merry and Pippin and Gandaldf fighting the Balrog (not that has to do with Aragorn/Arwen sex scene).

samwise of the shire · 11-16-2002, 10:24 PM

Well there's another thing that's cool about LOTR...in other peices of literature where there's mention of someone having a baby or even a scene you can say "Oh yep I can see that". With LOTR scenes dont appear and so you're spared seeing stuff in your own mind.
I'm honest I cannot see Galadriel and Celeborn...ahem nuff said Sam;you're beginning to blush.
Cheers,
Sam
ps. Ummmm interesting http://www.colleenmeade.com/lordofth...index2.htm#top
They may have gotten TTT mixed up with James Bond OR maybe not...middle of the page. middle picture...yeah.

Khadrane · 11-19-2002, 01:38 AM

I was getting scared for a second!

Wayfarer · 11-19-2002, 02:22 AM

Quote:

With LOTR scenes dont appear and so you're spared seeing stuff in your own mind.

*Ahem* Let me read you a few passages from the HOME, volume #3. Perhaps you shall reconsider that staement.

Quote:

and out he danced, unheeding, fleet
enamoured, on enchanted feet,
he sped towards the hillock green,
the lissom limbs, the danching sheen,
he leapt upon the grassy hill,
his arms with lovliness to fill,
his arms were empty, and she fled
away, away her white feet sped
but as she went he swiftly came,
and called her with the tender name
of nightengales in elvish tongue,
that all the woods now sudden rung,
Tinuviel!, Tinuviel!
and clear his voice was as a bell
it's echoes wove a binding spell

Tinuviel!, Tinuviel!, his voice such love and longing filled,
one moment stood she, fear was stilled,
one moment only, like a flame
he leapt towards her as she stayed
and caught, and kissed that elven maid.

And love there woke in sweet surprise
the starlight tremble din her eyes,
A! Luthien! Ah! Luthien!
more fair than any child of men;
O! lovliest maid of elfinesse
what madness does thee now posess!
A! Lissom limbs and shadowy hair
and chaplet of white showdrops there;
O! starry diadem and white
pale hands beneath the pale moonlight!
she left his arms and slipped away,
just at the breaking of the day.
(The Lay of Leithan)

Quote:

He lay upon the leafy mould,
his face upon earth's bosem cold,
aswoon in overwhelming bliss,
enchanted of an elvish kiss
(The Lay of Leithan)

Quote:

Thus luthien, whom no pursuit,
no snare, no dart that hunters shoot,
might hope to win and hold, she came
at the sweet calling of her name;
and thus in his her slender hand,
was linked in far beleriand;
in hour enchanted long ago,
her arms about his neck did go,
and gently down she drew to rest,
his weary head upon her breast
(The Lay of Leithan)

Quote:

Thus flitting fast thier short hour flies
while daeron watches with fiery eyes,
haunting the gloom of tangled trees,
all day, until at night he sees
in the fickel moon their moving feet,
two lovers linked in dancing sweet,
two shadows shimmering on the green,
where lonely-dancing maid had been
(The Lay of Leithan)

Amandil · 11-19-2002, 04:12 AM

Quote:

"Agreed wholeheartedly that the inclusion of any premarital sex in the films would fly directly into the face of Ronald's own beliefs."

Come on, who are you kidding. Tolks went to Oxford University remember.

What does teaching at (or "going to") Oxford have to do with one's own beliefs about premarital sex?

11-16-2002, 01:40 AM	#21
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	A very good point Sam, and I'm glad you had the presence of mind to point it out, cos it saves me an irate post. Why WOULD Aragorn and Arwen et al feel the need to fool around? They've been patient enough to get this far. Besides, I can't see Tolkien trying to insert premarital sex into his works. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

11-16-2002, 01:42 AM	#22
olsonm Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: minneapolis MN Posts: 920	It is a good point. Fortunately it is a moot one. (no pun intended! ) __________________ Gandalf lives...oh and Frodo too. Haldir Lives!!!

11-16-2002, 05:15 AM	#23
cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	Well, I don't really blame Arwen, how could she resist? Really, though, I would be very very surprised if there was any sexual connotation in the next two movies. I trust Peter Jackson and I feel that he has gotten the feeling of the first movie correct. Still, it doesn't stop me going through the books, looking for a scene with Aragorn with his shirt off. __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

11-16-2002, 09:09 AM	#24
Amandil Guy-who-should-come-here-more-often Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Alberta, in spirit -- Vlaanderen, in body (Canada? Never heard of it!) Posts: 120	Okay, Miranda, Mr. Bloom didn't look that bad in Blackhawk Down... __________________ Amandil Mithadan "Why would you want to tamper with anything Tolkien did?" --Ralph Bashki "Seeking self, I find nothing but myself, but in this I drink the cup of gall I really am. I want everything, and I may have everything, but I have nothing except what I have. What I have I know is not what will fulfill me, and I know this in the bitterness of satisfied desire. Everything I have is still not enough, and in getting everything I have, I have not myself, indeed what I have may have twisted what I am and might be into an image of my own possessions. I will to possess, but I end up possessed by what I possess." -- William Desmond (Ethics and the Between, p. 209-210)

11-16-2002, 11:05 AM	#25
bropous EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 1,176	Agreed wholeheartedly that the inclusion of any premarital sex in the films would fly directly into the face of Ronald's own beliefs. Fortunately, it is all a red herring. __________________ "...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160.

11-16-2002, 07:13 PM	#26
Firekitten2006 Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: the US of A! But I wish i was in austraila, never been, just think it would be a fun place to live :) Posts: 372	I think if there was ANY premarital sex in these movies Tolkein would be turning in his grave. Remember, he was a Catholic, and I believe I read somewhere that he was pretty religious. __________________ I'm Baaaack!!

11-16-2002, 08:27 PM	#27
Entlover Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 463	Okay, but what is the "fantasy horror scene" referring to? Any guesses?

11-16-2002, 08:49 PM	#28
scott100 Sapling Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 14	Does that mean we can all breathe normally again?

11-16-2002, 08:57 PM	#29
scott100 Sapling Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 14	"Agreed wholeheartedly that the inclusion of any premarital sex in the films would fly directly into the face of Ronald's own beliefs." Come on, who are you kidding. Tolks went to Oxford University remember.

11-16-2002, 09:10 PM	#30
Heather Wooltoes Elven Warrior Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hobbiton Posts: 182	Am I the the only one who wonders about Elvish sexual practices? Think about it.....Arwen almost 3000 years old...STILL a virgin??...ouch... Elrond separated from his wife for so long....might explain why he came off so frustrated in the film.... OK Im gonna stop thinking now...... Elvish age for menopause? Ok REALLY stop thinking now.... about the questions (though legit.) that would be inappropriate for this site. __________________ Sometimes the Dragon Wins. Don't p*** me off.....I'm running out of places to hide the bodies!

11-16-2002, 09:19 PM	#32
scott100 Sapling Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 14	No, it's because there's very little distinction between male and female. Mind you after 3000 years...

11-16-2002, 09:22 PM	#33
scott100 Sapling Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 14	3000 years and still a virgin? Easy to see why she chose to become mortal.

11-16-2002, 09:34 PM	#34
jerseydevil I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Plainsboro, NJ Posts: 9,431	Sween - I guess you missed this thread I had posted a long time ago - Arwen and Aragorn scene. cassiopeia - that was me, not Tater. Tater just explained what the scene was about. i didn't want to give a lot of details at the time. He does though. I had posted this back in May. __________________ Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide Last edited by jerseydevil : 11-16-2002 at 09:40 PM.

11-16-2002, 10:16 PM	#35
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	You hoping more people will fall for that, JD? __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

11-16-2002, 10:24 PM	#37
samwise of the shire Radically Tolkienited Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: If home is where the heart is, and my heart is in heaven...that should answer your question. <+>< Posts: 967	Well there's another thing that's cool about LOTR...in other peices of literature where there's mention of someone having a baby or even a scene you can say "Oh yep I can see that". With LOTR scenes dont appear and so you're spared seeing stuff in your own mind. I'm honest I cannot see Galadriel and Celeborn...ahem nuff said Sam;you're beginning to blush. Cheers, Sam ps. Ummmm interesting http://www.colleenmeade.com/lordofth...index2.htm#top They may have gotten TTT mixed up with James Bond OR maybe not...middle of the page. middle picture...yeah. __________________ Jesus is my all in all <><+<><+<><+<><+<><+<><+ People who are so concerned with escapism do have a name...we call them jailers. ~J.R.R Tolkien Radically Saved, Totally Tolkienited GOD... BLESS... AMERICA... Last edited by samwise of the shire : 11-16-2002 at 10:48 PM.

11-19-2002, 01:38 AM	#38
Khadrane Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Middle Earth (I wish) Posts: 670	I was getting scared for a second! __________________ Few know whither their road will take them till they come to its end. -Legolas FRODO LIVES! ABORTION IS HOMICIDE

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