Was Tolkien right to..... - Page 2

Anglorfin · 04-21-2003, 11:44 PM

I always felt that leaving the Entwives a mystery was supposed to help highlight the fact that the "old world" was passing away and the Age of Men was about to begin. All other races would hopelessly dwindle down to either extinction or sail West (Elves). I take the mystery of the Entwives to mean that Ents too will at some point become extinct or become more tree-ish, and that their story is also wrought with much sorrow throughout its history.

wahine · 04-24-2003, 09:13 PM

It doesn't matter if he was right to or not, you know? It was his decision to make. . . That sounds really b!tchy doesn't it?

Anyway, it leaves something for you to imagine, something that you can create a 'dialogue' for in your mind, and I like that. Although, I have to say, I would have liked a hint! It's been mentioned before, but I think it was just to add weight to the fact that the Age of Man was rising, and all things old were passing away (in a general sense).

Heather Wooltoes · 04-25-2003, 02:02 AM

When I was a 13 yr. old hardcore scifi/fantasy nutcase of a bookworm, I decided Xanth was attached to middle earth somewhere and that's where all the Entwives went after their gardens got trashed.....They bred the Tangle Trees and nightmare gourds....carnivorous grass.. IQ vines...ect.....

A garden that harvests YOU!

That's also where Hobbits come from...heheheh anyone familiar with the xanth series know that folk tend to change if they hang around a few generastions. Hobbits were Men at first, or Orcs? that immigrated into Xanth, changed and then some generations later went back out into the world

lol...god I was a stupid kid!

druss · 04-25-2003, 06:04 PM

Tolkien had to highlight the lack of entwives. To leave the ents purely asexual would have made a mockery of the theme of nature that is prevalent throughout the book. Also chick trees would be pretty damn huorn(y). Sorry.

Bombadillo · 04-25-2003, 06:28 PM

I like your terminology Druss. Welcome to the moot!

I've never looked into the lack of entwives (hehe... chick trees) so deeply. I just think that Tolkien had the right to leave them out if he wanted to. So he decided to leave them out. I never saw any reason for it, but what reason would they have to stay really? (<--rhetorical)

04-21-2003, 11:44 PM	#21
Anglorfin Alasailon Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: college Posts: 861	I always felt that leaving the Entwives a mystery was supposed to help highlight the fact that the "old world" was passing away and the Age of Men was about to begin. All other races would hopelessly dwindle down to either extinction or sail West (Elves). I take the mystery of the Entwives to mean that Ents too will at some point become extinct or become more tree-ish, and that their story is also wrought with much sorrow throughout its history. __________________ "and then this hobbit was walking, and then this elf jumped out of a bush and totally flipped out on him while wailing on his guitar." "Anglorfin was tall and straight; his hair was of shining gold, his face fair and young and fearless and full of anger; his eyes were bright and keen, and his voice like music; on his brow sat wisdom, and in his hand was great skill."

04-24-2003, 09:13 PM	#22
wahine The Original Amazonian Coconut Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Answering no questions, telling no lies. Posts: 753	It doesn't matter if he was right to or not, you know? It was his decision to make. . . That sounds really b!tchy doesn't it? Anyway, it leaves something for you to imagine, something that you can create a 'dialogue' for in your mind, and I like that. Although, I have to say, I would have liked a hint! It's been mentioned before, but I think it was just to add weight to the fact that the Age of Man was rising, and all things old were passing away (in a general sense). __________________ Hem, hem

04-25-2003, 02:02 AM	#23
Heather Wooltoes Elven Warrior Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hobbiton Posts: 182	When I was a 13 yr. old hardcore scifi/fantasy nutcase of a bookworm, I decided Xanth was attached to middle earth somewhere and that's where all the Entwives went after their gardens got trashed.....They bred the Tangle Trees and nightmare gourds....carnivorous grass.. IQ vines...ect..... A garden that harvests YOU! That's also where Hobbits come from...heheheh anyone familiar with the xanth series know that folk tend to change if they hang around a few generastions. Hobbits were Men at first, or Orcs? that immigrated into Xanth, changed and then some generations later went back out into the world lol...god I was a stupid kid! __________________ Sometimes the Dragon Wins. Don't p*** me off.....I'm running out of places to hide the bodies!

04-25-2003, 06:04 PM	#24
druss Hobbit Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: england Posts: 22	Tolkien had to highlight the lack of entwives. To leave the ents purely asexual would have made a mockery of the theme of nature that is prevalent throughout the book. Also chick trees would be pretty damn huorn(y). Sorry. __________________ take this ring....for your labours will be heavy; but it will support you....and with it you may rekindle hearts in a world that grows chill

04-25-2003, 06:28 PM	#25
Bombadillo "The Bomb" Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: all over the place Posts: 1,601	I like your terminology Druss. Welcome to the moot! I've never looked into the lack of entwives (hehe... chick trees) so deeply. I just think that Tolkien had the right to leave them out if he wanted to. So he decided to leave them out. I never saw any reason for it, but what reason would they have to stay really? (<--rhetorical) __________________ Could it be that one path to enlightenment leads through insanity?

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