Why we should all Thank Melkor - Page 2

GandalfTheWhite · 08-10-2002, 03:02 AM

so ur saying if there was no melkor then there would be no silmarillion eh? that really confuses me because melkor is just a made up charachter, the way i see it its not there would be no sil with out melkor its there would be no melkor with out the sil and there would be nothing without JRRT

Sween · 08-10-2002, 07:44 AM

A world without evil is just dull. Evil makes the world go round. Without evil there is no good just existance.

One of the themes of tolien is that we all have a dark side and one of the challenges of life is to rise above this and become good.

Archbob the Elder · 08-10-2002, 12:46 PM

Common, would you want to read the Sim if there was no Melkor and everyone was all good and loving, I think I'd rather read "how paint dries."

Christiana · 08-10-2002, 03:28 PM

hmm..id like an in-between world.i mean,there would be no wars,starvation,murders,ect.but there would be teasing(gentle)and harmless pranks,and whatnot,but no one would get offended badly,theyd just laugh w/ u.

Faramir · 08-10-2002, 04:03 PM

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Originally posted by Sween
A world without evil is just dull. Evil makes the world go round. Without evil there is no good just existance.

One of the themes of tolien is that we all have a dark side and one of the challenges of life is to rise above this and become good.

I agree with that second part. There will always be evil, wether we like it or not. We can't change that. I think what some of us are trying to say is that if we could choose, we'd like a peaceful world.

Claenoic · 08-10-2002, 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by Christiana
if melkor hadnt been,there might still b elves!

Correction. Yes, elves are here but on another demension. At least that's what I believe. And if there was no Melkor, elves and humans wouldn't even have existed, because Iluvatar made them to fight evil. Again, that's what I believe.

Christiana · 08-10-2002, 06:05 PM

then we wouldnt be here,so we wouldnt be bored!

Claenoic · 08-10-2002, 06:56 PM

How would we be bored if we weren't here?

Christiana · 08-10-2002, 07:15 PM

mi point exataly!

Faramir · 08-10-2002, 09:26 PM

This is getting confusing...

Comic Book Guy · 08-10-2002, 10:09 PM

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I think bordem is only of the reasons fighting breaks out in the troubled parts of the world. I mean think about it, they are not very educated, they don't have computer games, no internet, they aren't told how to play chess or enjoy good literature. I mean, what can they do for fun besides fight?

Um, we have computer games in Northern Ireland you know.

Anyway, what's a story without some sort of opposing force?

Rána Eressëa · 08-11-2002, 06:58 PM

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Originally posted by Comic Book Guy
Anyway, what's a story without some sort of opposing force?

You said it.

Archbob the Elder · 08-12-2002, 12:00 AM

I'm starting a Melkor fan club.

Blackheart · 08-12-2002, 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by Christiana
if melkor hadnt been,there might still b elves!

Yes and they would have all taken the journey to aman, and stayed there forever and ever, and never would the twain of man and elf have met.

Radagast The Brown · 08-12-2002, 03:05 PM

I don't like Melkor... he's evil (

). but without him the world was pointless? without evilness? boring? and most important, without this great books.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 08-12-2002, 03:23 PM

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Originally posted by Claenoic

Correction. Yes, elves are here but on another demension. At least that's what I believe. And if there was no Melkor, elves and humans wouldn't even have existed, because Iluvatar made them to fight evil. Again, that's what I believe.

Well, Iluvatar didn't make Elves and Humans for the purpose of fighting evil. Iluvatar did not create evil. Morgoth was not intended to be evil in his creation, but he turned. Arda was meant to be the dwelling of all the Children of Iluvatar. the Valar were to care for it and were each given a charge in nature. Morgoth became power hungry and invious of Manwe and the other Valar, and he placed his power into the earth which was "Morgoth's Ring" He claimed Arda as his kingdom and filled it with evil and fear for all living things. So the Elves and Humans were forced to fight, not made for that purpose.

Ñólendil · 08-12-2002, 07:20 PM

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Yes and they would have all taken the journey to aman, and stayed there forever and ever, and never would the twain of man and elf have met.

What a load of crap. Without Melkor there would be no evil and no suffering, from grief or boredom or anything. Such a bright, perfect world is beyond your imagination, Xandre. Out of the very evils of Melkor the One brings good, but Melkor has done no good for this world at all. You know that.

Archbob the Elder · 08-12-2002, 10:39 PM

No evil and no suffering, yes. But there'd be plenty of bordem.

Christiana · 08-13-2002, 12:22 AM

if melkor is the origion of evil,and bordom is evil,and there was no Melkor,then there could b no bordom!hah!

Blackheart · 08-13-2002, 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by Ñólendil

What a load of crap. Without Melkor there would be no evil and no suffering, from grief or boredom or anything. Such a bright, perfect world is beyond your imagination, Xandre. Out of the very evils of Melkor the One brings good, but Melkor has done no good for this world at all. You know that.

Step off. Without Melkor there would have been no snow, no rain, no joy. You can't have happiness without sadness, life without death, pain without pleasure, or good without evil. A bright perfect world my left buttock.

A serene flat grey field with a bunch of white suited mumbling syncophants is what you'd have gotten. Oh sure, no boredom. Patients on thorazine in the mental ward aren't bored either you know.

08-10-2002, 07:44 AM	#22
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	A world without evil is just dull. Evil makes the world go round. Without evil there is no good just existance. One of the themes of tolien is that we all have a dark side and one of the challenges of life is to rise above this and become good. __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

08-10-2002, 12:46 PM	#23
Archbob the Elder Enting Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 77	Common, would you want to read the Sim if there was no Melkor and everyone was all good and loving, I think I'd rather read "how paint dries." __________________ Get Free Stuff

08-10-2002, 03:28 PM	#24
Christiana Elf Lord Join Date: May 2002 Location: Searching desperately for a swan boat to take to Valinor Posts: 1,231	hmm..id like an in-between world.i mean,there would be no wars,starvation,murders,ect.but there would be teasing(gentle)and harmless pranks,and whatnot,but no one would get offended badly,theyd just laugh w/ u. __________________ I take full responsibility for my actions, except for those that are somebody else's fault Having someone to blame is nearly as good as having a solution to the problem Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them, and you habe their shoes. ~Frieda Norris

08-10-2002, 06:05 PM	#27
Christiana Elf Lord Join Date: May 2002 Location: Searching desperately for a swan boat to take to Valinor Posts: 1,231	then we wouldnt be here,so we wouldnt be bored! __________________ I take full responsibility for my actions, except for those that are somebody else's fault Having someone to blame is nearly as good as having a solution to the problem Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them, and you habe their shoes. ~Frieda Norris

08-10-2002, 06:56 PM	#28
Claenoic Queen of Prolonged, Unexplained Absences Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Texas. 'Nuff said. Posts: 556	How would we be bored if we weren't here? __________________ Very Biased Alternate Script (but it's funny!):Click here! FREAK RAIN!!!!!!!! O.o Queen of prolonged unexplained absences and long, loooong car rides. Well, hullo everyone. As you can see, I don't hang out here muchly anymore. There's a good reason for this. Y'see, I've been hanging out at a different chatboard called Cardboardia. So far, I've been havin' a blast. Not that I don't love the TLA, but the magic of Entmoot is lost on me. So, as soon as TLA ends, so will my existance here, probably. Who knows though? I might stay. Highly unlikely however. This is a good bye in advance, then. Unless you want to join me and my group of friends at Cardboardia. Cheers!

08-10-2002, 03:02 AM	#21
GandalfTheWhite Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 297	so ur saying if there was no melkor then there would be no silmarillion eh? that really confuses me because melkor is just a made up charachter, the way i see it its not there would be no sil with out melkor its there would be no melkor with out the sil and there would be nothing without JRRT

08-10-2002, 07:15 PM	#29
Christiana Elf Lord Join Date: May 2002 Location: Searching desperately for a swan boat to take to Valinor Posts: 1,231	mi point exataly! __________________ I take full responsibility for my actions, except for those that are somebody else's fault Having someone to blame is nearly as good as having a solution to the problem Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them, and you habe their shoes. ~Frieda Norris

08-10-2002, 09:26 PM	#30
Faramir Elven Warrior Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ithilien Posts: 353	This is getting confusing... __________________ This is the Window of the Sunset, Henneth Annun, fairest of all the falls of Ithilien, land of many fountains."-Faramir, Chapter IV, The Two Towers ========================== FRODO LIVES!!! ========================== YODA IS DA MAN!!! ========================== I Love Jesus!

08-12-2002, 12:00 AM	#33
Archbob the Elder Enting Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 77	I'm starting a Melkor fan club. __________________ Get Free Stuff

08-12-2002, 03:05 PM	#35
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	I don't like Melkor... he's evil ( ). but without him the world was pointless? without evilness? boring? and most important, without this great books. __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

08-12-2002, 10:39 PM	#38
Archbob the Elder Enting Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 77	No evil and no suffering, yes. But there'd be plenty of bordem. __________________ Get Free Stuff

08-13-2002, 12:22 AM	#39
Christiana Elf Lord Join Date: May 2002 Location: Searching desperately for a swan boat to take to Valinor Posts: 1,231	if melkor is the origion of evil,and bordom is evil,and there was no Melkor,then there could b no bordom!hah! __________________ I take full responsibility for my actions, except for those that are somebody else's fault Having someone to blame is nearly as good as having a solution to the problem Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them, and you habe their shoes. ~Frieda Norris

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