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04-26-2002, 01:51 AM | #21 | |
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Here are (finally) my promised quotes that shed light (?) on the question. Does this make any of your opinions change? I will withhold comment until I hear what you all have to say.
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05-11-2002, 10:46 PM | #23 |
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I agree with Khamul. Those are good, solid based opinions. Treebeard probably would've been able to.
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05-16-2002, 11:24 AM | #24 |
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I think what the Ring does is twist what people desire. My feeling is that Sam could have possibly have thrown the Ring into Mt Doom had he received it at Mt Doom. The Ring works more powerfully on people that are prideful and seek power. Sam in some ways would have desired power - but his idea of power would have been to have a huge bountiful garden or something that started out innocent. But in the end his desires would have been corrupted to some sort of evil.
There is no indication that Bilbo ever did anything with the ring to seek power - other than to use it hide from people he wanted to avoid or play tricks on. But the Ring still ended up having control over his mind. Both Isildur and Boromir were very different than Aragorn. Both Isildur and Boromir grew up with power and the idea of seeking fame and everything else. I feel the Ring lashes onto those things and twists them. Aragorn would have eventually succumbed to the Ring - but most likely he would have lasted longer than any other human. In terms of Gandalf, Galadriel or Elrond - they all sought power in one way or the other, maybe even the desire to be just known as the "controller of the Ring" or the "savior of Middle Earth". In the end they would have been corrupted. I really think they would have succumbed much quicker than most hobbits. Smeagol was corrupted immediately because of what was in is heart. No one really liked him even before he got the Ring. I'm sure he had a "one day I'll show them" attitude in his heart. With Smeagol - that is what the Ring used to corrupt him.
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05-16-2002, 04:58 PM | #25 |
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I think I agree with what I read that was written. I think that in the end of LOTR when Frodo was standing and Sauron noticed and did some effect on Frodo. I'm not sure about it.
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05-16-2002, 05:24 PM | #26 |
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I think many of the high elves could have destroyed it and I agree with elf girl that it depends on ither how long you had it and what you want out of it.
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05-16-2002, 05:37 PM | #27 |
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Yeah. I guess that if an elf (like Elrond or Cirdan) would take the ring instead of Isildore he would destroy it.
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05-16-2002, 06:59 PM | #28 |
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i think Aragorn could have destroyed it, but only if he hadent used it a lot.Isildur was Mister Proud Conquerer Of Sauron (actuly, Gil-Galad and Elendil threw Sauron down)
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05-17-2002, 03:47 AM | #29 | |
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Tolkien says in one of his letters (but I can't find it now) that only Frodo of anyone alive on Middle Earth could have gotten as far as he did on the quest. . . and in the end the quest only succeeded because of the Pity that Frodo showed Gollum, so he was shown mercy in return and rescued by Gollum's lust for the ring. |
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05-17-2002, 12:48 PM | #30 |
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I think we all agree that anyone without a lust for power and/or a relationship with the Ring could have destroyed it. Legolas, for example, could have, because he knew of its power and danger. He would have. Also, Treebeard would have, but I don't think Quickbeam could. Too hasty. I also think that while Gandalf the Grey could not have destroyed it, Gandalf the White could and would. And I do believe that Tom Bombadil Counts. Given the necessity, he would have gone to the cracks of Doom and destroyed it.
However, of those who could not have destroyed it, I think we all agree on: Frodo Gollum Isildur Boromir Gimli Wormtongue Theoden Saruman Galadriel Gandalf the Grey For obvious reasons. Perhaps also Faramir, Eowyn, and Denethor
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05-17-2002, 01:40 PM | #31 | ||
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05-17-2002, 03:36 PM | #32 |
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Nariel Starfire, you made one list but there are part of it that wouldn't tauch the ring and part that would take it for themself.
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05-17-2002, 08:34 PM | #33 |
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I don't think very many people could have destroyed the Ring - certainly none of the humanoid races of Middle Earth (this includes men, dwarves, hobbits and elves). I don't think Sam could've done it, or Gandalf, or Elrond (he knew he couldn't, remember? he was afraid to take it). The Ring was made to influence the minds and desires of people like this.
The only people I think could have destroyed it are: 1) Tom Bombadil, obviously - but we already said he didn't count because he wouldn't go to Mount Doom 2) Treebeard and the other three old Ents - because the Ring simply doesn't offer them anything that would make them want to keep it. 3) Eru - umm . . . no explanation needed.
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05-19-2002, 02:11 PM | #34 | |
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05-19-2002, 09:40 PM | #35 |
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It's no fair saying someone could have destroyed the ring if handed it on Mt Doom . . .the journey had to be undertaken.
Have to agree with the conclusion Harad's quotes lead to . . .yes, i read them all. It was beyond the strength of anyone to destroy the ring. Frodo got farther than anyone else could have because he was humble and brave . . .that's the whole point, he failed but still did better than anyone else could have, so he succeeded after all. FRODOFRODOFRODOFRODOFRODOFRODOFRODOFRODOFRODO LIVES |
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05-20-2002, 02:37 PM | #37 |
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I agree with Mirahzi. I don't think that Denethor have any chance to destroy the ring. he would try to use the ring, and that would destroy Gondor and Denethor.
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06-27-2002, 12:14 PM | #38 |
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I doubt that anyone could have willingly destroyed the one ring,,,,,,,,,,,it had an incredible ability to convince the bearer's that it was thiers by their own ringt..............be it birthday present, weregild, heirloom or in the case of Sam as carer for it (sam never believed the ring was his, he was only the carrier for mr Frodo), bless. And this "Mr Frodo's ring" would have ensured that he never destroyed it.
Were all the rings as difficult to willingly destroy? The one ring had domination over them all (is saurons hands) Yet Gandalf and Galadriel both carried two of the most powerful and no talk of their disposal was ever mentioned. Surely removing these rings from middle earth would have destroyed much of saurons potential power? |
06-27-2002, 04:37 PM | #39 |
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I disagree. I almost sure that Galdriel, Cirdan and Elrond could have destroy the ring willingly. (and of course the Valar and Eru).
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06-27-2002, 08:09 PM | #40 |
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