Light Of Evil - Page 2

LuthienTinuviel · 04-11-2002, 05:40 PM

edited.
by me, LT.

i dn't care anymore, it's not wirth getting banned.

but i do feel like screaming, because people today.

i know your probably way above this CBG, but i had a bad day.
so im sorry if i was snappy, you... .

nevermind.. no bannage for me.
i AM HAPPY

i need more medication.

Elfhelm · 04-11-2002, 05:59 PM

Keep writing. You have to write for many years before you have anything worth selling, so it doesn't matter what you write. After you read the trilogy, and then the Silmarillion, and then re-read it all, you will want to re-write this story.

Tolkien is a good role model for a writer. He studied all the old bards and wrote poetry and fairy tales for nearly 20 years before he wrote The Hobbit.

Follow you dreams and never give up, and ignore the critics.

peace

BeardofPants · 04-11-2002, 06:20 PM

While I might suggest that you choose a different subject matter, the material that you have presented so far, suggests to me, that you could be a really good writer. The talent is there, and you seem to have a way with words. However, if you seriously want to write, then I do suggest you give up the sappy love stories, unless, of course, you want to be a highly unrespected Mills & Boons writer.

What you have so far, is fairly well written, it's just the wrong place to post that kind of subject matter, almost asking to be flamed.

But, good luck with your writing, you have the potential, use it, don't be side tracked by shallow, poorly developed storylines. Try to be original, in what you write. Read lots of the 'good' literature, see what thier tricks are, and see what has already been done.

Elfhelm · 04-11-2002, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by frodosgirlfriend
i don't think that would happen in rivendell.

It wouldn't. But like I said, WHAT you write when you are burning up those first thousand odd pages of throw away stuff isn't as important as other things. For instance, learning to slow down and describe things in incredible detail.

Darth Tater · 04-11-2002, 06:30 PM

Look, if you want a place to hang out because of your weirdness find the official weird freakish people's board. This is a Tolkien board, for fans of the work of Tolkien, specifically his Middle Earth related work. So uh gee, well to be a member here wouldn't it make sense to BE A FAN OF TOLKIEN???????????? Otherwise why bother?

And when writing, it's a good rule of thumb to write about what you know. You obviously don't know Canon when it comes to Middle Earth and LOTR, so why try to write a LOTR fanfic? FYI Arwen never gives Aragorn a stone in LOTR.

Elf Girl · 04-11-2002, 06:34 PM

I see no reason why she can't write a movie fanfic, as long as she makes it clear that it is based the movie. This is a Tolkien message board, but I might point out that we have an entire forun dedicated to the movie, and she put this in general messages. This is not the Tolkien area! People here can be as non-Tolkien related as they want!

Don't mind me. I mean no harm.

Elfhelm · 04-11-2002, 06:54 PM

But EG the founders get to set the rules, don't they? And DT is a founder from what I can tell, so I guess what he says is what matters. Unless there is some sort of democratic process. From what I've seen so far it's a rule by council, and so we deal with it or leave as we see fit.

Darth Tater · 04-11-2002, 07:00 PM

HOBBIT was elected a moderator democratically, and later made an admin. The rest of the administration was chosen by the administration, completely ignoring the thoughts and feelings of the users of Entmoot. And, I doubt we'll have another elected official. We just don't trust you guys

Elf Girl · 04-11-2002, 07:02 PM

I see I just gave up any chance I ever had for being even a moderator.

BeardofPants · 04-11-2002, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Darth Tater
HOBBIT was elected a moderator democratically, and later made an admin. The rest of the administration was chosen by the administration, completely ignoring the thoughts and feelings of the users of Entmoot. And, I doubt we'll have another elected official. We just don't trust you guys

*Insert quote*

We're not worthy! We're not worthy!

*Unquote*

***Ben*** · 04-11-2002, 07:12 PM

Ok, that was the Darth "I hate newbies" Tater rant. Please don't feel that the administration as a whole hates newbies. We don't. Well, I don't, at least.

I personally feel that Entmoot has always been a "casual" Tolkien board. We have a number of people who are able to discuss LotR on an intellectual level, but this isn't really an intellectual's board. Heck, I haven't read LotR straight through in over a year (I've discovered there's a bit more to life than Middle-earth

).

I don't want this to be a closed, elite community. It will die if that happens. I think it's great that people who have only seen the movie have been exposed to Tolkien's works. If they are inspired to read the books, that's even better, but that's not necessary for being an active member here.

Recall that Greg hung out here for over a year before finishing LotR. He just stuck to the general areas, and he even became part of the administration somehow. I used to be a regular at the 3D Realms (makers of Duke Nukem 3d) Bulletin Board, even though I was only a fan of their early games as opposed to the popular shooters that had become the standard. I just stayed in the general area and had no problems being part of that community.

Tater, if what you really want are the serious Tolkien scholars (Michael Martinez, etc.), you can't pull stunts like turning the board pink. I was under the impression that you felt the board had "no more credibility," so what's it to you who's read what book?

Making people feel unwelcome because they haven't satisifed your criteria for being a "true Tolkien fan" is beyond rude, IMHO.

Elfhelm · 04-11-2002, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Elf Girl
I see I just gave up any chance I ever had for being even a moderator.

You would want to be a moderator? hehehe

Anyway, I agree with you, but it's not our call. So where should fanfic be posted? And how can we make it so other writers critique it? Some other place? Like alt-fanfic-tolkien or what?

oops, this post was being written as the admins admin was posting.

So, it's ok to post fanfic here? Even if you haven't read much Tolkien (I have, BTW).

Comic Book Guy · 04-11-2002, 07:21 PM

The thread for fanfiction is here.

Darth Tater · 04-11-2002, 07:32 PM

Actually that wasn't my "I hate newbies" rant, that was my "I hate people who think they are Tolkien fans but aren't" rant.

Greg had a reason to be here, he has friends here. However, I did think it was weird how much he was here before reading LOTR. Notice the banner? says this board is dedicated to the works of Tolkien, not the works of Peter Jackson. There are plenty of boards like that. The reason for the decline in our credibility is the influx of members who are fans of PJ's, and not really fans of Tolkien's. I love the LOTR movie, it's genius, but it's NOT LOTR!

Elfhelm · 04-11-2002, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Comic Book Guy
The thread for fanfiction is here.

Yeah, but that does contain the official ruling on whether it's allowed to post fan fic here. Funny thread though.

Rána Eressëa · 04-11-2002, 07:51 PM

I speak for one thing: fiction stories that aren't based on romance! I mean, jeez, there's better things in the world. Like . . . war, bloodshed, good VS. evil battles, a new nemesis, oh-my-Eru-we're-all-gonna-die!'s. You see where I'm going with this?

I think if someone really loved the movie, they'd go ahead and read the books. Why not? It won't really ruin the movies because they already change quite a lot of plot occurences in them. The book is so much more enriching compared to the movie, too. Yeah, sure, it's complicated and descriptive, but that's the best part about it. Seriously, girl, go ahead and read them!

Elfhelm · 04-11-2002, 08:01 PM

What I think about writing, for the beginner, in general, I've already stated. But as far as what I think is GOOD, that's another matter.

I think to do a JRRT fan fic you first have to learn some old english, turn out a few dozen pages of alliterative verse, recite the Eddas in the original, and then have children.

It also wouldn't hurt to serve your country in a war and get wounded and maybe even work on a huge dictionary doing etymologies for a while.

And teaching old english would also be a plus.

Elf Girl · 04-11-2002, 08:02 PM

I'm writing a fic that isn't a romance. Yay for me!

emplynx · 04-11-2002, 08:19 PM

I think this is a great Tolkien board! We can talk Tolkien and other stuff too!

Firalphien · 04-11-2002, 08:22 PM

First of all, I never meant for any of this to happen. I want apologize to everyone. And I'm sorry if I offended anyone, but I did want my work to be critized and I also want to thank you all, because I totally have a new idea for it (and no it won't be a romance one). Tater I'm sorry if I offended you by not being a true Tolkien fan. I'll do better after I've read LOTR. I just hope you guys aren't mad at me for posting my story or anything and starting this up. If you want, you can delete it.

Luv Alwayz

~*Alphie*~

04-11-2002, 05:40 PM	#21
LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	edited. by me, LT. i dn't care anymore, it's not wirth getting banned. but i do feel like screaming, because people today. i know your probably way above this CBG, but i had a bad day. so im sorry if i was snappy, you... . nevermind.. no bannage for me. i AM HAPPY i need more medication. __________________ Last edited by LuthienTinuviel : 04-11-2002 at 05:48 PM.

04-11-2002, 05:59 PM	#22
Elfhelm Marshal of the Eastmark Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,412	Keep writing. You have to write for many years before you have anything worth selling, so it doesn't matter what you write. After you read the trilogy, and then the Silmarillion, and then re-read it all, you will want to re-write this story. Tolkien is a good role model for a writer. He studied all the old bards and wrote poetry and fairy tales for nearly 20 years before he wrote The Hobbit. Follow you dreams and never give up, and ignore the critics. peace __________________ cya

04-11-2002, 06:20 PM	#23
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	While I might suggest that you choose a different subject matter, the material that you have presented so far, suggests to me, that you could be a really good writer. The talent is there, and you seem to have a way with words. However, if you seriously want to write, then I do suggest you give up the sappy love stories, unless, of course, you want to be a highly unrespected Mills & Boons writer. What you have so far, is fairly well written, it's just the wrong place to post that kind of subject matter, almost asking to be flamed. But, good luck with your writing, you have the potential, use it, don't be side tracked by shallow, poorly developed storylines. Try to be original, in what you write. Read lots of the 'good' literature, see what thier tricks are, and see what has already been done. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

04-11-2002, 06:30 PM	#25
Darth Tater The man Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: MA Posts: 4,572	Look, if you want a place to hang out because of your weirdness find the official weird freakish people's board. This is a Tolkien board, for fans of the work of Tolkien, specifically his Middle Earth related work. So uh gee, well to be a member here wouldn't it make sense to BE A FAN OF TOLKIEN???????????? Otherwise why bother? And when writing, it's a good rule of thumb to write about what you know. You obviously don't know Canon when it comes to Middle Earth and LOTR, so why try to write a LOTR fanfic? FYI Arwen never gives Aragorn a stone in LOTR. __________________ Visit the worlds greatest webpage! No, not The Tolkien Trail! Just click this! The Tolkien Trail ~Camelot

04-11-2002, 06:34 PM	#26
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	I see no reason why she can't write a movie fanfic, as long as she makes it clear that it is based the movie. This is a Tolkien message board, but I might point out that we have an entire forun dedicated to the movie, and she put this in general messages. This is not the Tolkien area! People here can be as non-Tolkien related as they want! Don't mind me. I mean no harm. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

04-11-2002, 06:54 PM	#27
Elfhelm Marshal of the Eastmark Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,412	But EG the founders get to set the rules, don't they? And DT is a founder from what I can tell, so I guess what he says is what matters. Unless there is some sort of democratic process. From what I've seen so far it's a rule by council, and so we deal with it or leave as we see fit. __________________ cya

04-11-2002, 07:00 PM	#28
Darth Tater The man Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: MA Posts: 4,572	HOBBIT was elected a moderator democratically, and later made an admin. The rest of the administration was chosen by the administration, completely ignoring the thoughts and feelings of the users of Entmoot. And, I doubt we'll have another elected official. We just don't trust you guys __________________ Visit the worlds greatest webpage! No, not The Tolkien Trail! Just click this! The Tolkien Trail ~Camelot

04-11-2002, 07:02 PM	#29
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	I see I just gave up any chance I ever had for being even a moderator. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

04-11-2002, 07:12 PM	#31
*Ben* Retired Ent Join Date: Sep 1999 Posts: 60,631	Welcome all newbies, to Entmoot and Tolkien alike! :) Ok, that was the Darth "I hate newbies" Tater rant. Please don't feel that the administration as a whole hates newbies. We don't. Well, I don't, at least. I personally feel that Entmoot has always been a "casual" Tolkien board. We have a number of people who are able to discuss LotR on an intellectual level, but this isn't really an intellectual's board. Heck, I haven't read LotR straight through in over a year (I've discovered there's a bit more to life than Middle-earth ). I don't want this to be a closed, elite community. It will die if that happens. I think it's great that people who have only seen the movie have been exposed to Tolkien's works. If they are inspired to read the books, that's even better, but that's not necessary for being an active member here. Recall that Greg hung out here for over a year before finishing LotR. He just stuck to the general areas, and he even became part of the administration somehow. I used to be a regular at the 3D Realms (makers of Duke Nukem 3d) Bulletin Board, even though I was only a fan of their early games as opposed to the popular shooters that had become the standard. I just stayed in the general area and had no problems being part of that community. Tater, if what you really want are the serious Tolkien scholars (Michael Martinez, etc.), you can't pull stunts like turning the board pink. I was under the impression that you felt the board had "no more credibility," so what's it to you who's read what book? Making people feel unwelcome because they haven't satisifed your criteria for being a "true Tolkien fan" is beyond rude, IMHO. __________________ ---Ben formerly known in the forums as bmilder Owner of The Tolkien Trail and Entmoot. Buy Entmoot shirts and mugs!

04-11-2002, 07:21 PM	#33
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	The thread for fanfiction is here.

04-11-2002, 07:32 PM	#34
Darth Tater The man Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: MA Posts: 4,572	Actually that wasn't my "I hate newbies" rant, that was my "I hate people who think they are Tolkien fans but aren't" rant. Greg had a reason to be here, he has friends here. However, I did think it was weird how much he was here before reading LOTR. Notice the banner? says this board is dedicated to the works of Tolkien, not the works of Peter Jackson. There are plenty of boards like that. The reason for the decline in our credibility is the influx of members who are fans of PJ's, and not really fans of Tolkien's. I love the LOTR movie, it's genius, but it's NOT LOTR! __________________ Visit the worlds greatest webpage! No, not The Tolkien Trail! Just click this! The Tolkien Trail ~Camelot

04-11-2002, 07:51 PM	#36
Rána Eressëa The Rogue Elf Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,722	I speak for one thing: fiction stories that aren't based on romance! I mean, jeez, there's better things in the world. Like . . . war, bloodshed, good VS. evil battles, a new nemesis, oh-my-Eru-we're-all-gonna-die!'s. You see where I'm going with this? I think if someone really loved the movie, they'd go ahead and read the books. Why not? It won't really ruin the movies because they already change quite a lot of plot occurences in them. The book is so much more enriching compared to the movie, too. Yeah, sure, it's complicated and descriptive, but that's the best part about it. Seriously, girl, go ahead and read them! Last edited by Rána Eressëa : 04-11-2002 at 07:54 PM.

04-11-2002, 08:01 PM	#37
Elfhelm Marshal of the Eastmark Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,412	What I think about writing, for the beginner, in general, I've already stated. But as far as what I think is GOOD, that's another matter. I think to do a JRRT fan fic you first have to learn some old english, turn out a few dozen pages of alliterative verse, recite the Eddas in the original, and then have children. It also wouldn't hurt to serve your country in a war and get wounded and maybe even work on a huge dictionary doing etymologies for a while. And teaching old english would also be a plus. __________________ cya

04-11-2002, 08:02 PM	#38
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	I'm writing a fic that isn't a romance. Yay for me! __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

04-11-2002, 08:19 PM	#39
emplynx Self-Appointed Lord of the Free Peoples of the General Messages Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,214	I think this is a great Tolkien board! We can talk Tolkien and other stuff too!

04-11-2002, 08:22 PM	#40
Firalphien Hobbit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18	First of all, I never meant for any of this to happen. I want apologize to everyone. And I'm sorry if I offended anyone, but I did want my work to be critized and I also want to thank you all, because I totally have a new idea for it (and no it won't be a romance one). Tater I'm sorry if I offended you by not being a true Tolkien fan. I'll do better after I've read LOTR. I just hope you guys aren't mad at me for posting my story or anything and starting this up. If you want, you can delete it. Luv Alwayz ~Alphie~

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