Do you believe in UFOs: is there sentient life besides our own?!!! - Page 2

Spock · 10-14-2006, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RÃ*an

(but of course, Telcontarion has the final word on what he meant!

) Second, third & etc. dictionary definitions aren't "less good" than the first;

FIRST if he doesn't express himself exactly, in the manor the language provides, then he fails to communicate his ideas to those who utilize the language.

SECOND: 'less good' ...............don't get me started on grammar

Spock · 10-14-2006, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan

Sheesh Spock, what is up with you and your rolleyes smileys?

When The Telcontarion asked whether there is sentient life besides our own, he sure meant ........

What he meant? Sorry but I don't believe any here are sufficiently psychic to know that. Words mean things and should be used accordingly.

***RÃan*** · 10-14-2006, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Spock

FIRST if he doesn't express himself exactly, in the manor the language provides, then he fails to communicate his ideas to those who utilize the language.

That's when we work together and try to clarify things

And the way Jonathan and I understand his use of the word is a perfectly valid way, according to the dictionary. But the best thing would be for him to get in here and clarify what he meant!

Quote:

SECOND: 'less good' ...............don't get me started on grammar

That's why it was in quotes.

And don't get me started on spelling!

*eyes a misspelled word*

The Telcontarion · 10-14-2006, 11:31 PM

come on guys, lets talk UFOs please...obviously Jonathan and RÃ*an are right.

Now let it go.

***RÃan*** · 10-15-2006, 01:04 AM

OK, so we're talking sentient in terms of higher than "you wag your tail when I scratch your hiney, so you're telling me it feels good!"

I watched about 20 minutes of it, and it looks fairly credible at first glance. I like how it's standard FLIR equipment, and that there are multiple pilots involved, and their banter sounds authentic, and that it didn't show up visually but instead only on the FLIR system. There was a FLIR system, and apparently some type of radar system, but I didn't get to what type of radar system it was. I used to work in military radar, but I was the land-based side of things as opposed to the airborne side. Did they say what type of radar it was, and did it show up on the radar? Did it show up on any landbased radar that was tracking the aircraft, too?

***Earniel*** · 10-15-2006, 04:01 AM

My my, what a grumpy thread... I feel right at home. Seems I'm not the only one today who's less shiny than else.

As for sentient and/or self-aware beings besides our own, yes, I believe there are. If there are already more of those on earth (elephants, dolphins and at least one or two of the giant apes), the chances are that somewhere in that giant universe there is sentient life too.

Astronomy and exploration satelites have proven other planets have water, which we see as one of the keys for life, so changes are IMO good. And where there's life, the first big hurdle towards intelligent life is already taken.

But what I don't believe is that that intelligent extraterrestial life is small and grey and visits us in UFO's.

Spock · 10-15-2006, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by The Telcontarion

come on guys, lets talk UFOs please...obviously Jonathan and RÃ*an are right.

me too

Spock · 10-15-2006, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by EÃ¤rniel

My my, what a grumpy thread... I feel right at home. Seems I'm not the only one today who's less shiny than else.

I agree; two days of migraine and Rx don't make a happy Vulcan.

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Originally Posted by EÃ¤rniel

As for sentient and/or self-aware beings besides our own, yes, I believe there are.

IIRC Belgium has had its share of UFO experiences and some in recent years too.
....FTR(and not to go further) I was an investigative reporter on the subject for some time when I lived in Arizona and really expanded my mind on the subject.

Spock · 10-15-2006, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RÃ*an

And don't get me started on spelling!

*eyes a misspelled word*

yeah, me too......unfortunately I could barely focus my eyes much less my brain at that time and not doing too much better right now.

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I only know as much about myself as my mind can work on under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good.

***Earniel*** · 10-15-2006, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Spock

IIRC Belgium has had its share of UFO experiences and some in recent years too. ....FTR(and not to go further) I was an investigative reporter on the subject for some time when I lived in Arizona and really expanded my mind on the subject.

Jup, the famous 'Belgian Triangles'. It was around the early, or midway the ninties, I think I remember. Quite a wave of sightings, put our lil' country right on the UFO-map.

It's a pity I didn't get to see any, 't was far too cloudy. But it caused quite a commotion.

BeardofPants · 10-15-2006, 09:43 PM

Do I think there's sentience (aka jon's def'n) somewhere out there? Not sure. Probably. Do I think lil' grey aliens come to earth regularly to probe the collective *insert butt euphemism here* of fat 'merkians? not bloody likely.

***RÃan*** · 10-15-2006, 10:00 PM

Has anyone else watched the video yet?

And Tel, do you know anything more about the radar (as opposed to the FLIR) system?

**Nurvingiel** · 10-15-2006, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Telcontarion

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...85100897567649

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...26345538570434

I looked at these videos, but I still doubt they were of extraterrestrial origin. I really don't think that any aliens have been to Earth.

The Telcontarion · 10-15-2006, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RÃ*an

Has anyone else watched the video yet?

And Tel, do you know anything more about the radar (as opposed to the FLIR) system?

I don't know anymore about the radar system. I didn't hear any details mentioned in the video. If you wach the whole thing you wuld probably hear more though.

...sorry for taking so long to answer your direct question.

The Telcontarion · 10-15-2006, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

I looked at these videos, but I still doubt they were of extraterrestrial origin. I really don't think that any aliens have been to Earth.

I thought the long video was very convincing and very uplifting and positive it was really well done. With that being said, I am not exactly an advocate for this type of stuff, I just came across this video which was shockingly convincing to me; I thought I should share it.

**Nurvingiel** · 10-16-2006, 01:40 AM

I didn't look at the long one, just the two clips of the Russian MIGs. They feature objects you cannot see in any detail behaving in ways we wouldn't expect from objects of that size. The probability that they do not originate from Earth is very, very small IMO.

Lord of the Mark · 10-20-2006, 07:00 PM

I believe that there's intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, because if the universe goes on for forever then there's bound to be something.

Spock · 10-21-2006, 11:18 AM

Oh, so you too subscribe to the theory: ...The idea is that if you have an infinite number of monkeys typing randomly on an infinite number of typewriters, eventually, they will produce any piece of literature you care to mention.

***RÃan*** · 10-21-2006, 09:20 PM

remember the joke about that? The Internet has proven that theory false!

**Nurvingiel** · 10-22-2006, 01:44 AM

Ahaha, yes!!

Telcontorian, I just can't bring myself to watch the original video. Is it really ninety minutes?

Sorry.

I did watch the ones about the MIGs though.

10-14-2006, 11:31 PM	#24
The Telcontarion The one true King of the human race, direct descendant of Adam and heir to the kings of old. "You owe me your fealty." The Tar Minyaturion Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: By the shores of cuivinien Posts: 694	come on guys, lets talk UFOs please...obviously Jonathan and RÃan are right. Now let it go. __________________ Proverbs 21:3 To do justice and judgment* is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice. Ecclesiasticus 2:1-5 1 My son, if thou come to serve the Lord, prepare thy soul for temptation... ...4 Whatsoever is brought upon thee take cheerfully, and be patient when thou art changed to a low estate. 5 For gold is tried in the fire, and acceptable men in the furnace of adversity. Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

10-15-2006, 01:04 AM	#25
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	OK, so we're talking sentient in terms of higher than "you wag your tail when I scratch your hiney, so you're telling me it feels good!" I watched about 20 minutes of it, and it looks fairly credible at first glance. I like how it's standard FLIR equipment, and that there are multiple pilots involved, and their banter sounds authentic, and that it didn't show up visually but instead only on the FLIR system. There was a FLIR system, and apparently some type of radar system, but I didn't get to what type of radar system it was. I used to work in military radar, but I was the land-based side of things as opposed to the airborne side. Did they say what type of radar it was, and did it show up on the radar? Did it show up on any landbased radar that was tracking the aircraft, too? __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

10-15-2006, 04:01 AM	#26
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	My my, what a grumpy thread... I feel right at home. Seems I'm not the only one today who's less shiny than else. As for sentient and/or self-aware beings besides our own, yes, I believe there are. If there are already more of those on earth (elephants, dolphins and at least one or two of the giant apes), the chances are that somewhere in that giant universe there is sentient life too. Astronomy and exploration satelites have proven other planets have water, which we see as one of the keys for life, so changes are IMO good. And where there's life, the first big hurdle towards intelligent life is already taken. But what I don't believe is that that intelligent extraterrestial life is small and grey and visits us in UFO's. __________________ We are not things.

10-15-2006, 09:43 PM	#31
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Do I think there's sentience (aka jon's def'n) somewhere out there? Not sure. Probably. Do I think lil' grey aliens come to earth regularly to probe the collective insert butt euphemism here of fat 'merkians? not bloody likely. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

10-15-2006, 10:00 PM	#32
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	Has anyone else watched the video yet? And Tel, do you know anything more about the radar (as opposed to the FLIR) system? __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

10-20-2006, 07:00 PM	#37
Lord of the Mark Hobbit Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 32	I believe that there's intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, because if the universe goes on for forever then there's bound to be something.

10-21-2006, 11:18 AM	#38
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	Oh, so you too subscribe to the theory: ...The idea is that if you have an infinite number of monkeys typing randomly on an infinite number of typewriters, eventually, they will produce any piece of literature you care to mention. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

10-21-2006, 09:20 PM	#39
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	remember the joke about that? The Internet has proven that theory false! __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

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