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Old 09-16-2005, 05:05 AM   #21
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Omg are you talking chemistry here? Yay!

As Eärniel pointed out, ethanol is only one type of alcohol. However, it is the only alcohol we can drink. Stay away from methanol! It may look and taste like ordinary alcohol but it'll make you blind

Ethanol isn't always made by fermentation of sugars. Industrial ethanol can be made by letting ethene gas react with water. However, natural ethanol comes from yeast cells (a kind of fungus). The cells get energy by cleaving sugars into ethanol and carbondioxide. In wine, the sugars of the grapes are converted into alcohol while the juices give flavour.

An interesting note - it is impossible to make a drink that is 100% alcohol. Well first of all the yeast cells die if the concentration of ethanol gets too high. Then, if you try to make alcohol yourself (in a lab or something) some of the alcohol will always turn into water. This is due to the chemical properties of the substance. At best, you can make like 99.5% pure ethanol but there will always be a tiny bit of water in the solution

Enough ranting now, I was just excited to see chemistry being discussed
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Old 09-16-2005, 05:13 AM   #22
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Omg are you talking chemistry here? Yay!
I'm trying to. But my knowledge is rather sketchy, I fear I have forgotten a lot. But you seem to know more about it. (I did remember the methanol-bit, though. I'm so proud of myself...)
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Old 09-16-2005, 10:30 AM   #23
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Let us not forget the great Australian and New Zealand wines.

...BTW...all you need to do is take the cork out .....forget all that chemistry stuff
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Old 09-16-2005, 11:29 AM   #24
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If you don't like chemistry, I could switch to toxicology if you'd like. Talking about the biological and chemical effects of alcohol on a human body ect. It could include interesting therms like cirrhosis and necrosis.

I think it's obvious I'm not a big drinker of alcholic beverages...
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Old 09-16-2005, 11:50 AM   #25
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I'm nineteen, and I almost never touch wine . Pretty silly.
I'm in my mid-20's and don't touch the stuff either. Just don't like it.
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Old 09-16-2005, 11:56 AM   #26
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Let us not forget the great Australian and New Zealand wines.
...forget all that chemistry stuff
You know, chemistry plays a big role in the making of Australian wines. In Europe however, everything surrounding the wine-making process is supposed to be as natural as possible.
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Old 09-16-2005, 11:59 AM   #27
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Indeed, but that doesn't take away from the countries I mentioned.

..E-imbibe, savor, don't disect.
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Old 09-16-2005, 12:28 PM   #28
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Pic for Lotesse.



A five minute drive from my place. And that's the mountain I hiked up last weekend. Loads of vineyards and wineries in the Cape.
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Old 09-16-2005, 12:41 PM   #29
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No matter what country, or what product, alcohol (ethanol) is basicly yeast sh it.
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Old 09-16-2005, 12:57 PM   #30
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Indeed, but that doesn't take away from the countries I mentioned.
No no, of course not. Never had wine from New Zealand but Australian wine rocks.

Andúril, nice area you live in. I did buy a South African wine earlier this year and it was very much to my satisfaction.
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Old 09-16-2005, 02:09 PM   #31
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No matter what country, or what product, alcohol (ethanol) is basicly yeast sh it.
Yeah I was just going to comment that when you drink alcohol you are drinking half digested yeast barf and yeast crap AND dead yeast (in some cases). Takes a bit out of your thirst if you think about it that way.
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Old 09-16-2005, 02:11 PM   #32
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If you don't like chemistry, I could switch to toxicology if you'd like. Talking about the biological and chemical effects of alcohol on a human body ect. It could include interesting therms like cirrhosis and necrosis.

I think it's obvious I'm not a big drinker of alcholic beverages...
Yes but you live in a key country for them. Can you get me that beer?
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Old 09-16-2005, 02:24 PM   #33
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Here's how wine is made, all you silly geese.

http://www.eresonant.com/pages/histo...inemaking.html

Thanx 4 that beautiful pic, Anduril!!!!
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Yeah I was just going to comment that when you drink alcohol you are drinking half digested yeast barf and yeast crap AND dead yeast (in some cases). Takes a bit out of your thirst if you think about it that way.
That is why we will try not to think about it that way, sir. This is Wine Appreciation, not Wine Disgustation. You guys slay me, you really do. Think "Appreciation," rather than "yeast barf," man. Wine is liquid art.
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That's how to say it. You tell 'em, Spock!
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That is why we will try not to think about it that way, sir. This is Wine Appreciation, not Wine Disgustation. You guys slay me, you really do. Think "Appreciation," rather than "yeast barf," man. Wine is liquid art.
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Since Anduril was so nice to show me his vineyard in South Africa, which I really appreciated - note the word "appreciate" being used here, folks, indicating this is a thread where we can "appreciate" wine rather than relentlessly dog it - anyway.
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That is why we will try not to think about it that way, sir. This is Wine Appreciation, not Wine Disgustation. You guys slay me, you really do. Think "Appreciation," rather than "yeast barf," man. Wine is liquid art.
Hey I "appreciate" my yeast barf very much thanks. Otherwise I wouldnt relish it so much.
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By the way I love cheese too. And yogurt. Now do you want to get into a discussion of just how to make THAT stuff? Dont be afraid of the truth. And never let it inhibit your enjoyment of what you truly say is liquid art (be it wine or beer or scotch or whatever). I love good wine. How its made is just a funny little fact.
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South African Chardonnay to try - I've had it, it's phenomenal. Snowdog, this is a beautiful one to start with. Rather pricey, but oh, so worth it.

1} Vergelegen Chardonnay Reserve 2002

This wine is coloured a sort of lemon yellow, with butterscotch, citrus, vanilla, tropical fruit and mineral tones. Complex, powerful yet still elegant. Not cloying, not pretentious, and not too oaky or overly dry. Yum.
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