Origins, and Implications of Origins

[Spock]

....."some of my best friends are......oh wait, they aren't"....

[Rían]

Originally Posted by Snowdog

...For physically, I (1.) originated from an intimate moment my parents had ...

heehee!

Reminds me of something that happened a few days ago - I gave my husband a little note that basically said, in code, "see ya in our room after the kiddos are in bed! " I can get those things by the two youngest, but my oldest son knows what's up now! He told me, "I know what was in the note you gave Dad, because of how he smiled!"

[littleadanel]

Hi there! Oh, soo many reactions. *gladly prepares fingers and tired brain for another long post* since I can't quote more people in one post (can I?) I'll write your names...

:Jonathan: I know I went away a bit from RÃ*an's posts - got carried away by my thoughts... And yes, my life is affected by not having something sure behind me - the best thing I can do is to rely on my own conscience. Anyway, I'm trying to find my place, with more or less success.

:Insidious Rex: maybe I should have put quotation marks, and write "proofs" just as you did. Average people can have only rumours in most of the cases... but one thing I hear more and more of: the human race's roots are far more ancient than the accepted theory says. The problem with evolution theories is that a new discovery can turn the whole thing upside down, and I can imagine that for that reason, the discoveries not fitting were hushed up. Wonder if in our lifetime there will be any changes.

:brownjenkins: sometimes we need to talk about big questions too... though most of the time I don't feel brave enough to join such a conversation... but this morning I did, and am glad that I finally did post my thoughts. I had one very good friend with whom I could share thoughts like this, but we're not in that good terms anymore - and sometimes I really miss him...

:Lotesse: all I can say is thanks

Hmm, and now I'm going to enjoy real life and tiny happy things and caring people... might be piping up if again I feel unsure about big questions

[Rían]

yes, lots of great thoughts and discussion!

Will have to get to it later - as Christopher Robin said, "backson bisy"

[brownjenkins]

Originally Posted by littleadanel

:brownjenkins: sometimes we need to talk about big questions too... though most of the time I don't feel brave enough to join such a conversation... but this morning I did, and am glad that I finally did post my thoughts. I had one very good friend with whom I could share thoughts like this, but we're not in that good terms anymore - and sometimes I really miss him...

i agree... just look at my post count

share anytime

[Insidious Rex]

Originally Posted by littleadanel

:Insidious Rex: maybe I should have put quotation marks, and write "proofs" just as you did. Average people can have only rumours in most of the cases... but one thing I hear more and more of: the human race's roots are far more ancient than the accepted theory says. The problem with evolution theories is that a new discovery can turn the whole thing upside down, and I can imagine that for that reason, the discoveries not fitting were hushed up. Wonder if in our lifetime there will be any changes.

Well Im not sure what discoveries have turned evolution "upside down" really. Did you have some in mind? Any time there has been new discoveries it has been applied TO the theory not cause for rejection of the entire theory (or having it "hushed up"). Thats how science works. As for our own ancestors we certianly see science at work in that area. We have had a half dozen highly significant discoveries in the last 50 years or so that have help us upate our concept of where we came from and how we evolved. Just because we had these new discoveries doesnt mean that we needed to reject the main theory outright. Nothing in these discoveries would have been cause to do that. What would have been cause to do that is sneaking up on God creating a living being or on aliens seading the ocean or something. We havent see that so far however so theres no need to reject in whole form these theories. In fact what we DO see points countless times over to something along the lines of evolution. Do we have it mastered and all figured out yet? Of course not. But we have filled in quite a bit of it and its looking pretty solid all around.

[rohirrim TR]

could you list these "discoveries" that revolutionized evolution? it would be interesting to see

[Jonathan]

Why not merge this thread as well with the evolution & creationism thread?

[littleadanel]

Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

Well Im not sure what discoveries have turned evolution "upside down" really. Did you have some in mind? Any time there has been new discoveries it has been applied TO the theory not cause for rejection of the entire theory (or having it "hushed up"). Thats how science works. As for our own ancestors we certianly see science at work in that area. We have had a half dozen highly significant discoveries in the last 50 years or so that have help us upate our concept of where we came from and how we evolved. Just because we had these new discoveries doesnt mean that we needed to reject the main theory outright. Nothing in these discoveries would have been cause to do that. What would have been cause to do that is sneaking up on God creating a living being or on aliens seading the ocean or something. We havent see that so far however so theres no need to reject in whole form these theories. In fact what we DO see points countless times over to something along the lines of evolution. Do we have it mastered and all figured out yet? Of course not. But we have filled in quite a bit of it and its looking pretty solid all around.

*gulps* I feel like I'm not prepared enough to respond appropriately (sp?) ...
I have to admit, concerning these things, it is my aunt's impression on me that shows through, but I just couldn't remember exactly what she said to me when with my cousin they were here at the weekend. Promise next time I'll ask her. But... I am eager to learn, maybe finally someone could make it clearer to me... agree with rohirrimTR, could you list us some? *looks humbly towards IR*

And with that we would be totally away into evolution, I'm afraid...

[Spock]

Originally Posted by Jonathan

Why not merge this thread as well with the evolution & creationism thread?

thars a hole heap of thunkin goin on 'bout that right now

[brownjenkins]

Originally Posted by Spock

thars a hole heap of thunkin goin on 'bout that right now

just say no

[Spock]

I would but no one ever listens to me

[Snowdog]

Hmm.. only took one page to turn this into the typical Entmoot EV/CR thread?

[Lotesse]

I KNOW! Why does everything even remotely philosophical around here have to end up being a battle between the Christian thinkers only? Can't we have a secular discussion thread, is that even possible?

[Snowdog]

I guess not.
I get tired of both crowds trying to "out discuss" each other.

[brownjenkins]

Originally Posted by Lotesse

I KNOW! Why does everything even remotely philosophical around here have to end up being a battle between the Christian thinkers only? Can't we have a secular discussion thread, is that even possible?

'cause rÃ*an likes to start new threads on what basically boils down to the same subject

and i can't help but respond

[Spock]

Originally Posted by Lotesse

Can't we have a secular discussion thread, is that even possible?

What we most often have here is a circular discussion.

[Lotesse]

Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

Well Im not sure what discoveries have turned evolution "upside down" really. Did you have some in mind? Any time there has been new discoveries it has been applied TO the theory not cause for rejection of the entire theory (or having it "hushed up"). Thats how science works. As for our own ancestors we certianly see science at work in that area. We have had a half dozen highly significant discoveries in the last 50 years or so that have help us upate our concept of where we came from and how we evolved. Just because we had these new discoveries doesnt mean that we needed to reject the main theory outright. Nothing in these discoveries would have been cause to do that. What would have been cause to do that is sneaking up on God creating a living being or on aliens seading the ocean or something. We havent see that so far however so theres no need to reject in whole form these theories. In fact what we DO see points countless times over to something along the lines of evolution. Do we have it mastered and all figured out yet? Of course not. But we have filled in quite a bit of it and its looking pretty solid all around.

Ummm... I. Rex, are you debating the God versus evolution thing here, or am I crazy? O.K., don't answer the second part - I may be a little crazy, but really - think about it, you sound as if perhaps what you're saying belongs in like 2 or 3 other threads bewsides this one. Not tryna rain on your verbal parade, or anything; I'm just sayin'...

[Snowdog]

Originally Posted by brownjenkins

'cause rÃ*an likes to start new threads on what basically boils down to the same subject

and i can't help but respond

... which is why I usually avoid (note post count) the multiple Creation/Evolution threads here as the same players are usually involved saying the same things in which I usually then leave the thread as it carries on for pages and pages... I hear ya Mia...

... and Yes, it is a 'circular discussion' !

[Rían]

Originally Posted by Jonathan

Why not merge this thread as well with the evolution & creationism thread?

no, no, NO! It's about implications, logical deductions, etc. that can be drawn from what a person believes his/her origins are and that affect our every day choices, esp. in what is usually called moral behavior. Implications/deductions that are valid, invalid, well-supported, and otherwise, and why we think they are valid, invalid, well-supported, and otherwise.

I don't think people think enough about why they do things, and I think it's good to think more, and to be willing to support your reasons behind things, and to let other people question them, and to learn about what others think. So this thread is available for those that want to do that. I do NOT want this to be an evidence thread - I'm tired of that and do NOT want to discuss it here. Anyone that wants to discuss actual evidence, please do it on the other threads.