"DON'T PANIC" and other important information (NEWBIE-FRIENDLY)

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally Posted by Starr Polish

When we already have several other threads meant for discussing or at least lend themselves to the discussion of religion/philosophy/science posts, why make another one and clutter up the board? THey always get flooded by the same people saying ultimately the same thing anyway.

Okay guys, the policy for making duplicate threads is: the existing thread must be at least six months old from its last post. When you get an idea for a new topic, please do a search to see if a thread may already exist. EarthBound is new to our forums, and IMO offers some good discussion. Therefore, we will allow this thread to stand. I don't think merging this thread into the "Why you believe" thread by Rian, would work since that thread is a type of individual interviewing thread.

Remember though, in the future, do a search folks.

[Nurvingiel]

Yes, such as flatulence, a highly phisolophical subject. j/k I think EarthBound brings up a lot of good points.

Our society is odd about farts. I mean, they do stink, but they aren't that embarassing. I think it's dumb to walk around pretending we don't have any bodily functions. And they make such good jokes!

[brownjenkins]

Originally Posted by Starr Polish

THey always get flooded by the same people saying ultimately the same thing anyway.

i'll give ya that... but it's better than nothing

[Rían]

Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

Where did your original assumption come from that there was nothing to begin with?

Good point, Your Rexiness!

[EarthBound]

Originally Posted by Insidious Rex
Where did your original assumption come from that there was nothing to begin with?


Theories are built upon that the original bag of marbles (the stuff "stuff" is made of) bounced around with a mixture of anonymous forces (witness protection program?!?!) gave rise to "everything" or "something". The point (which is a dangerous thing have, especially if you're running) is that you seeminly "can't" get "something" from nothing. Meaning, it seems likely it has to be one way or the other....always has been something (a highly unlikely state) or always remains nothing.

Thus, after great debate, complete subterfuge, and intense flexing of grey-matter I've decided ........ I like beer. Farting will always remain optional.

[Insidious Rex]

Originally Posted by EarthBound

Originally Posted by Insidious Rex
Where did your original assumption come from that there was nothing to begin with?


Theories are built upon that the original bag of marbles (the stuff "stuff" is made of) bounced around with a mixture of anonymous forces (witness protection program?!?!) gave rise to "everything" or "something". The point (which is a dangerous thing have, especially if you're running) is that you seeminly "can't" get "something" from nothing. Meaning, it seems likely it has to be one way or the other....always has been something (a highly unlikely state) or always remains nothing.

Thus, after great debate, complete subterfuge, and intense flexing of grey-matter I've decided ........ I like beer. Farting will always remain optional.

Now we all know that beer has always been and will always be. Wont argue with you there. As for the something from nothing thing... what if we are dealing with concepts here that go well beyond our ability to grasp. because of the very fact that we have developed WITHIN this particular universe under its particular set of rules we cant really go beyond our brain and grasp the ultimate complexeties of "infinity" and "nothingness" anymore then an ant can understand how gravity works. But it doesnt mean because we dont understand something that something cant be. ok who farted....

[EarthBound]

Much like my secretary, she won't "produce something" for "nothing", however we can quickly subjugate that we'd all feel pretty good about "getting something" for nothing......I think I'm getting a real vibe for this, or I've just sat on a fart....hard to tell.

because of the very fact that we have developed WITHIN this particular universe

The use of the word "particular" is particularly peculiar to a plethora of perceptions of paradigm possibilities.

Multiple “hologram-like� universe-entities induce a vomit of perplexities.

The HACBR has been alerted to my postings…..Hobbits Against Constant Beer References

[BeardofPants]

Look, we all know that in the beginning there was PANTS! Ergo, we all come from pants. Or was that in our pants?

*whew* gettin' stinky in here. ::sick::

[azalea]

(I've put on Billy Preston in honor of this thread.)

Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

Or that we could ever hope to understand the full nature of reality when we create it by our very existance?

Okay, back up here -- "we create [reality] by our existance." Is that like "if a tree falls?" I know you aren't suggesting that if "we" weren't here there would be nothing? Or were you speaking of a different "we?"

I am going to designate this thread as "newbie-friendly" since there's been some discussion of its being redundant. I think it's fine to have this one going, and we'll look at it as a place where newbies can feel comfortable giving their views on nothing.

[Starr Polish]

Actually, the "if a tree falls" question can be answered with psychology and some knowledge of sound waves and the brain.

::I love my professor!::

[inked]

About the tree thing,

IF A MAN SPEAKS IN THE WOODS AND THERE IS NO WOMAN TO HEAR HIM,
is he still wrong?

and,

I think the final poetic expression on fart (latinized to flatulence for delicates) was in fact written, IIRC, by Lord Byron who wrote:
"he emitted a fart so foul the very air was turned green" (or something like it).

Now having established these two basic facts about existence, tell me how
Lepetomaine made a career on stage of demonstrating the altogether humorous existence of flatulence in a society which denied it had bodily functions? And that his illustrious and renumerative career was based on a veritably unique voluntary control over both his sphincter and descending colon such that it could inspire and expire at will?

Now we are talking NOTHING (but it was known in an earlier time as piffle or bosh cf. D.L.Sayers Lord Peter Wimsey novels). <not that i mean that grand dame of detection and theology actually herself addressed the second of our lead in subjects, but rather that she demonstrated the technique in this thread as known in the inter-WW period in England amongst educated society members aka Harriet and Lord Peter, of course>

[EarthBound]

Originally Posted by inked

About the tree thing,

IF A MAN SPEAKS IN THE WOODS AND THERE IS NO WOMAN TO HEAR HIM,
is he still wrong?

and,

I think the final poetic expression on fart (latinized to flatulence for delicates) was in fact written, IIRC, by Lord Byron who wrote:
"he emitted a fart so foul the very air was turned green" (or something like it).

Hmmmm...how about, "If a man Farts in the forest and there is no woman to grimace and complain, is it still as much fun????" That's the question, yes, that's the question.......deep thoughts this morning.

Deep Green Gassy Thoughts.......oh, you have to like that word gassy…

"Mike would have taken Sue to the dance, but his pants were rather gassy."

Pure Poetry!!!!!!

[Insidious Rex]

Originally Posted by azalea

(I've put on Billy Preston in honor of this thread.)

Nothing from nothing leaves nothing. Ya gotta have something...

...if you wanna hear a tree...

Okay, back up here -- "we create [reality] by our existance." Is that like "if a tree falls?" I know you aren't suggesting that if "we" weren't here there would be nothing? Or were you speaking of a different "we?"

I was basically pointing out that what we percieve as reality is because of the nature of our perception. if we percieved differently reality would be different. but on the quantum level also remember that observation is the only mechanism by which we can verify existence. schrodinger's cat anyone?

[EarthBound]

Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

schrodinger's cat anyone?

Thank you for bringing up that Chestier Cat. Well, even though it goes a long ways in progressing the "hologram" tangent of suggestive thought = perceived matter, the idea never went far enough to explain if the cat would be hungry, and if so, are Kibbles & Bits the first choice for an existential kitty... This is the kind of stuff we need to get our minds and pancreas around.

Existential Kitty would be a good name for a Rock band.

[azalea]

Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

...if you wanna hear a tree...

LOL!

I was basically pointing out that what we percieve as reality is because of the nature of our perception. if we percieved differently reality would be different. but on the quantum level also remember that observation is the only mechanism by which we can verify existence. schrodinger's cat anyone?

You're asking me to remember something on the quantum level? If it's not followed by "Leap," then you've lost me.
There you go with "we" again -- who is this mysterious "we" of which you speak? I disagree with your premise that "if we perceived differently reality would be different." I guess it depends on what you're perceiving: something physical or something emotional. Let's have an example. Anyone?

[Insidious Rex]

if you are blind how do you percieve the color orange? if you are not a dog how do you percieve what a dog whistle sounds like? if you had a sixth sense how would the rest of us percieve stimuli that only triggers that sixth sense? Do WE need any more examples now?

[Rían]

If everyone went blind today, does that mean that the color orange no longer exists?

[Starr Polish]

Other animals can perceive orange. It's rather egocentric to think that the world only exists as humans perceive it.

But if there were no living things left on the earth, no, the color orange would not exist since it is not being perceived. Color is not a property of an object, it's simply light reflections that the human eye can perceive.

[Insidious Rex]

Originally Posted by RÃ*an

If everyone went blind today, does that mean that the color orange no longer exists?

it means the color orange is no longer part of what we call "reality". Which was my only point. assuming of course we suddenly lose all memory of it too. the example would only work with people who never had any prior knowledge of the thing percieved.

[Insidious Rex]

Originally Posted by Starr Polish

But if there were no living things left on the earth, no, the color orange would not exist since it is not being perceived. Color is not a property of an object, it's simply light reflections that the human eye can perceive.

well put. those science courses keeping you busy then?