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Old 11-25-2000, 05:42 AM   #21
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"Communism is simply evil."
I won't make any comment on this until I make sure that you're not making a joke or are quoting from someone with all the italic text...
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Old 11-26-2000, 08:22 PM   #22
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oh, er, ah...

The italic type is a mistake that I did not notice. It shouldn't have eaten the entire post.

"Communism is simply evil." The quote is mine. Common Sense and History agree.
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Old 12-01-2000, 04:43 AM   #23
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communism was a good idea. in practice it didn't work at all. it's not evil, just a little misguided & naive & way too easily corrupted.

hmm, how many posts until Gil says i'm wrong?
my guess? 3 or 4


EDIT: no flames intended

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Old 12-01-2000, 03:57 PM   #24
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Well...

...just one post! HA!

If Communism was a GOOD idea, it would have worked. It is actually a very BAD idea and cannot work.

It is more than an ends, it is a revolutionary means that justifies itself by its unachievable goals.

And whenever the Ends are used to justify the Means, watch your back!
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Old 12-01-2000, 06:37 PM   #25
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Re: Well...

The best society is the schtroumph's one
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Old 12-01-2000, 09:35 PM   #26
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Re: Well...

["schtroumph"="smurf"]
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Old 12-02-2000, 12:32 AM   #27
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Communism...

Communism is at heart an economic system.

It sounds great in theory, but IT'S NOT.

Here's why.

To enforce it, there must be a totalitarian governmental system. Nothing else can hold the people in line with it.

Secondly, Marx said, "Religion is an opiate for the people", and suddenly, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Mormonism, and practically every other religion or system of faith on the planet is at odds with Communism.

By Communism's demands.
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Old 12-02-2000, 12:49 AM   #28
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Re: Communism...

In context:

"The wretchedness of religion is at once an expression and a protest against real wretchedness. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the feeling of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of unspiritual conditions. It is the opium of the people."

-In Critique of the Hegelian Philosophy of Right, K.Marx

(found in "The Great Thoughts", G.Seldes)
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Old 12-04-2000, 05:50 AM   #29
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Re: Communism...

and this is why i said it was only a good IDEA

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Old 12-04-2000, 05:17 PM   #30
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But you also said...

"it's not evil".
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Old 12-05-2000, 01:21 AM   #31
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Re: But you also said...

So what if she did? Communism in theory is not evil.
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Old 12-05-2000, 02:40 AM   #32
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Not the case.

Explain to me how if, in theory, a communist state will oppress and persecute every significant belief system, it won't be considered "evil".
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Old 12-05-2000, 03:28 AM   #33
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Re: Not the case.

Christianity througout history has oppressed and persecuted other beliefs, to the point of burning its opponents.

So, according to you, Christianity is evil.
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Old 12-05-2000, 04:00 AM   #34
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Believe what you will.

That still doesn't answer the question, though.
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Old 12-05-2000, 04:03 AM   #35
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Re: Believe what you will.

It's not what I believe.

It's what you said.

Some can be judged by the way they judge others.
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Old 12-05-2000, 04:27 AM   #36
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It is what you believe.

Why?

Because what you say and how you interpret my statements is based on your beliefs.

Perhaps that's why you're overlooking what I've said.
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Old 12-05-2000, 04:31 AM   #37
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Re: Believe what you will.

The intent of communism was to overthrow the ruling class and everything that it stood for; to abolish the gap between classes. That may be bold, impossible, extreme, but it is hardly evil. You make it sound like it was ordained from hell.
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Old 12-05-2000, 04:35 AM   #38
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"You make it sound like it was ordained from hell."

If that's what you see when you read what I've written, there's nothing more I can say. Good night.
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Old 12-05-2000, 04:41 AM   #39
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Sweet dreams.
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Old 12-05-2000, 04:43 AM   #40
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Ok then...

Explain to me how if, in fact christianity oppressed and persecuted every significant belief system, it won't be considered "evil".

I'm sorry by not being as elusive as you are...
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