NEWS-girl killed by mechanic in FL.

[GrayMouser]

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
what does that stand for?

What Would Jesus Do? - a slogan popular among young evangelicals in the last few years, to give oneself guidance when facing moral issues.

Some people tried to spin it into an environmentalist take on SUVs- What Would Jesus Drive?

[hectorberlioz]

oh yeah, now i remember.

[Sister Golden Hair]

This is a sick crime, and is certianly not the first time such a thing has happened, and certianly won't be the last time either. This country is based on a constitution that says: 'you are innocent until proven guilty.' I support that 100% in many cases. There are flaws in this system though, and no system is perfect. Many that are guilty are freed that should have been put to death or spent life in prison. The O.J. Simpson trial springs to mind, and although not all still agree that he did it, he did IMO, and that makes him a legitimate example for me. It will also be interesting to see the outcome of the Scott Peterson trial. What about Mr. Smith? In my book, he was seen on video abducting this little girl. He has a record and had attempted to abduct a 20 year old before and was aquited. Is this a case of guilty before proven so? I think so, in light of the video and history of this person. Now, what about his punishment? Are we a barbaric society? No, I think not. Although I do support the death penalty, I believe that in this case, lethal injection is too merciful. IMO, not every murderer deserves a trial or to die in a merciful manner if convicted, especially if it is for murdering a child. This guy should be eliminated and I don't care how, just so he is dead, but the anger and human response is to have him suffer first. That doesn't make us barbaric and sickos, it makes us angry people responding in an angry way over a very ugly and horrific crime. Nomatter what we would like to see happen to him, we know we live in a country that will only allow his death to take place in a merciful manner, moreso than Carly's death did, and moreso than he deserves, but it is what our country is about, and though it may not always satisfy our anger and vengful streak, it is just one of the reasons we love it here. I just hope that for Carly, her family and for all of us that are outraged by this crime, that justice is served and to the fullest extent of the law.

[hectorberlioz]

lethal injection is too merciful. IMO, not every murderer deserves a trial or to die in a merciful manner if convicted, especially if it is for murdering a child. This guy should be eliminated and I don't care how, just so he is dead, but the anger and human response is to have him suffer first. That doesn't make us barbaric and sickos, it makes us angry people responding in an angry way over a very ugly and horrific crime. Nomatter what we would like to see happen to him, we know we live in a country that will only allow his death to take place in a merciful manner, moreso than Carly's death did, and moreso than he deserves, but it is what our country is about, and though it may not always satisfy our anger and vengful streak, it is just one of the reasons we love it here. I just hope that for Carly, her family and for all of us that are outraged by this crime, that justice is served and to the fullest extent of the law.

Amen.

[Sminty_Smeagol]

Then we get into a medieval view on capital punishment including torture so there can be different degrees of death... that's what it will evolve in to if you follow that train of thought.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Sminty_Smeagol
Then we get into a medieval view on capital punishment including torture so there can be different degrees of death... that's what it will evolve in to if you follow that train of thought.

Did I miss something? Would you elaborate on this?

[Dúnedain]

As SGH said, this guy has been arrested 13 times prior. And, he should have been in jail, if it wasn't for some stupid Judge letting him go. They also have video showing that it was this guy, which was analyzed by the FBI, which identified him. So don't go giving me that innocent until provind guilty bullshit, when they have ID'd the guy on VIDEO! How quaint it was that her body was found near the area he kidnapped her as well

Personally, the only reason I don't agree with the death penalty, because it is too much of an easy way out for these horrible people. They should suffer just as the families they affect suffer for the rest of their lives. Bill O'Reilly said it best. We should create arctic work camps, where convicts of the major crimes go there and do hard labor for the rest of their lives. Why should tax payers pay for these convicts, muderers, etc., to live in comfort with TV's, the ability to earn money while working in jail, giving them weight rooms. No, it shouldn't be that way, they should be working their butts off and rotting in jail, not having a grand old time living better in jail than they would in the outside world...

[Nurvingiel]

I don't think anyone is sick for feeling anger at this horrible crime. It is wrong, and he does deserve to be punished.

I don't believe in the death penalty, because I don't believe any human has the right to take another's life. However, it's not all black and white. Sometimes you have to take a life in self defence. In war (which I don't pretend to understand) soldiers also have to kill to defend themselves. However, hopefully the politicians in charge didn't start a war of aggression.

As for jail, it serves three puposes:
1) To punish people for committing crimes
2) To deter people from comitting crimes
3) To protect society by keeping criminals away from them

People must be very seriously mentally disturbed to commit murder. Our society, IMO, fails utterly when it comes to all mental illnesses. We do not have the capacity to help people with mental illness, and we are not capable of dealing with it, as a society. (I am not in any way saying that murderers are somehow excused because of this, I'm just pointing out flaws in the jail system and our society.)
The possibility of jail might deter a thief or mugger, but not someone so disturbed as a murderer. The death penalty will not deter a murderer either, they are not thinking about the consequences of their actions.

This leaves the death penalty as a punishment and/or protection for the rest of society.

To protect society, locking someone away for the rest of their natural lives would be equal in protection than killing them. Arguments about how much it costs to keep someone in jail are weak in this case - a human life (scumbag murderers too) is worth more than we could simply equate to a dollar amount.

As a punishment, I don't believe the death penalty is right. Perhaps in this case the evidence is beyond doubt, and perhaps the murderer really does deserve death. However, if this is the punishment for one murderer, than why not for all? If we follow this pattern, there might be someone who was wrongly convicted of murder put to death. (Such mistakes have been documented.)

If having the death penalty costs the life of one innocent person, than it is not worth it. Innocent people can be protected by life-long jail sentences equally well.

Hatred will not bring Carlie back, nor will it honour her memory.

[Sminty_Smeagol]

nvm

[Nurvingiel]

Never mind? I'm sure you had something important to say.

[jerseydevil]

I fully support the death penalty and if anyone deserves it - this guy does. Chances are there was sexual assualt too. They're not describing the condition they found her body in - which is probably becuase it was pretty brutal.

[Millane]

Originally posted by Beor
Yeah? Well, that could be, or maybe I just have a different opinion of things. Maybe my outlook on life is just a little different, since I may have expierenced different things than you. Maybe I dont like to hear about people killing little girls, as I have a kid, and every time I hear about someone killing a kid, all I can think about is my kid, and I dont want my kid killed. Do you want your kids killed? Probably not. So dont judge me just because I posted some stuff about some murderer being sent to Iraq then killed. Please.

i will judge you like you judged this sicko, its really no difference, you think what he did is wrong i think that torturing him in return is wrong... Torturing this bloke isnt going to bring the kids back, kill him and be done with it...

Originally posted by hectorberlioz
well freakin first of all, she already knew the freakin guy who killed her.
and for a freak like him to kill her, for who knows what reason, is worthy of death penalty.
he could have raped her. in fact i think he did, the police just havent released that info yet.
and it will satisfy my sick desire if they puit him to death. because i dont want a sicko like that to be alive.
he has been arrested 13 times. been put to the jail 13 times. this was the last straw.
research yourself before you pass judgement on our judgement.

why dont you aswell, i dont care what he's done he could be the evilest [EDITED] on earth i wouldnt torture him, maybe you misunderstood me, i said kill him just dont torture him.

Last edited by Sister Golden Hair

[hectorberlioz]

Nurvingiel-an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.

Millane-I think I did misunderstood you, I apologize.

[Nurvingiel]

Hector, I've got a great Babylon 5 quote that outlines both our stances on the death penalty:

Delenn: And you support a system that would leave the whole world blind and toothless?

Garibaldi: Not everybody. Just the bad guys.

[Hemel]

I am totally and irrevocably against the death penalty. I think it is barbaric. I am always amazed and disappointed when I hear other people baying (and I use that emotive word deliberately, because that's how it feels to me) for the death penalty to be enacted.

I am also absolutely appalled that some posters on this thread have been advocating torture. I cannot believe that people who consider they live in a civilised society would willingly wish to inflict deliberately such gross and grotesque harm on anyone else.

Oh, and btw, one thing that has often puzzled me ... one of the justifications often used for wanting severe and cruel punishments is - I am a parent. I think of my kids. Excuse me - but since when has that been one of the attributes of becoming a parent, that one should espouse torture?

[The Gaffer]

I agree with Hemel. I don't think revenge should be a motivating factor in the justice system. How would I feel if it was my kid? I'd probably want to kill him with my bare hands, but that still wouldn't make it right.

Another aspect to the argument against capital punishment is that any system of justice is, as people have pointed out, imperfect. In other words, we will, at some point, torture and kill innocent people.

[Sminty_Smeagol]

I think 'an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth' motto is kind of, I dunno. If we used that principal wouldn't we have to (probably) rape the guy and then kill him in whatever way he killed her, kind of recreate whatever he did to her? That's the idea I get from that slogan, whatever that person did gets done to them...

and my medieval torture comment was made because I was getting this whole 'the worse your crime is the worse your death should be' feeling coming across (I think I misread) and that was sort of the motto behind medeival tortures wasn't it?

[BeardofPants]

Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth originally referred to trade, rather than revenge... Wonder when it got perverted?

[Sister Golden Hair]

I just heard on the news that this guy is the father of three little girls. What a wacko!

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by BeardofPants
Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth originally referred to trade, rather than revenge... Wonder when it got perverted?

Doesn't the bible say something about that?