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I think Edwards is too far left to bring on the moderates though to win the election. He's not as bad as Kucinich though.
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Well, I'll probably vote for Bush (I'm a Republican...most people in good ol' Indiana are.,..but I can't speak for everyone ) I just don't agree with most Democratic's stand on issues that are important to me.
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I guess you really don't know much about Bush. He was governor of Texas AND was reelected before becoming US President.
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Would seem so, though I do find it rather disturbing and sad in a way that he (Dunedain) would forego his beliefs to vote a man back into power that in essence should oppose his very political beliefs. It's a pity the Democrats do not have a strong candidate to oppose Bush, but in a way I guess him remaining in power would at least ensure that certain projects, such as stabilising the situation in Iraq, which, let's face it will play a major role in the decisions made by the US voters, are seen through to conclusion.
And I do not want to turn the discussion into another Iraq thread, but what, besides the happenings there will Bush be basing his election campaign on? After all, he has failed miserably to deliver on his budget proposals as laid out when he was first elected. The issues of unemployments and homelessness have not been addressed in a way that I would feel happy with had I been an American citizen, although it's a problem that all administrations have really failed to address. Can anyone say how large a proportion of the Jewish population in the US happen to support the Republicans? Probably not, but it would be interesting to know, as it could turn out that the Jewish/Israeli votes might work in Bush's favour, after all it is in the interest of Israel that he remain in power, so that the so-called power-equality in the Middle East be put into action. |
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Many posts, much to ponder. Thanks for the Constitution quotes for me JD, they did help. I don't pretend to understand all of a sudden how the system works, but I will re-read your Constitution quotes and "sift it down" a little bit.
If I was American, I probably wouldn't vote for Bush. Our political views are almost diametrically opposite, except one thing that I know of. Points of Disagreement: - I believe in a small military - I am against any country having nuclear weapons - I support gay rights, and their right to marriage - I feel very strongly that if we want to be part of a free trade agreement, we should actually adhere to it. Please stop putting tarriffs on our softwood lumber. Points of Agreement: - I hear from a reliable source that he has good family values. I've also heard from a reliable source that when he was governor of Texas, the first law he passed was allowing you to bring a gun into church. If I was American, I would also determine if he kept his election promises or not. I have three questions for anyone who knows: Is it true he has good family values? Is it true he passed a law letting you bring a gun to church? Did he keep all (or as many as reasonably possible) of his election promises?
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To tell the truth, I rather like bush.
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I have a question about the primaries. How does the Iowa Caucus work?
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