05-19-2010, 10:13 AM | #21 |
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No, Mari is right. It's absurd to judge the denizens of Mordor by a Gondorean morality! It is altogether a different culture, a different reality they live. Ideas and moral codes are meaningless divorced from the cultural context in which they arise. What is fair in Mordor is foul in Gondor, and vice versa, and to impose our Gondorean notions of right and wrong is a great crime! Such antiquated notions should have died decades ago! I protest this imperialist policy of the Master of Fine Arts...err...the Minister of Foreign Affairs!
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05-19-2010, 10:18 AM | #22 |
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Thanks for defending me, Gwai
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05-19-2010, 11:16 AM | #23 |
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Oh, I'm not defending you. You're a Mootling. You should know better. I'm just defending Mordor.
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Since several citizens of Entmoot have voiced skepticism about the New Jerseyness of Hector, and since our dear founder is a New Jerseyan, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs retracts its ban on passports for the state. We've also fired the power-abusing, morally bankrupt young bureaucrat that put the state on the list
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To: Minister of Foreign Affairs of Entmoot, Coffeehouse
Dear Minister, I thank you for your letter. The cooperation of the MFA is most appreciated. It is also pleasing to hear that the restrictions on travellers from the state of New Jersey, have been lifted. For a time there, you risked evoking the wrath of the Jersey Devil... Yeah, the old-timers here know what I mean. Besides, as far as I remember, Hector lives in Tennessee Regards Jonathan Ministry of Justice Quote:
Oh, and I'll talk to Inked too. Maybe you'd like to give your testimony right away? If so, the floor is yours. Quote:
Hm, I do see Mari's point though, and Gwai is arguing quite convincingly. But then how could this court reject the wise words of King Elessar Telcontar and define good and evil differently? Before we take this any further (trying to buy time here ), I propose the Kabinet Membr... sorry, the Cabinet Member for Language, Inked, delivers an expert opinion as to the genuinely linguistic meaning of "good" and "evil" respectively. I gather Inked also has a good insight regarding the Narnian moral values, which can't hurt.
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I would like to propose a bake-off. May the best pie-maker make the decision!
However, I, as the Secretary of Homeland Treekeeping, I support Jonathan in his pursuit of an evil-free Entmoot. While we may have some disagreements about what evil really is, I believe we can all agree that evil is bad and bad is not good. My treekeeping duties include protecting the denizens of Entmoot from blatant corruption. I believe that most of the accusations listed above count as "corruption", defined as Quote:
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As my Elven parents had stumbled through a portal to Narnia before I was born, causing me to be born and to grow up in that delightful country before eventually returning to Middle-earth, I wholeheartedly support Narnian moral values. Claws and Regulations of NNFS That's almost enough to forgive Inked for his Euro-English.
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Actually, I resent the entire term 'axis of evil' for the above reasons and the reasons so eloquently mentioned by Gwai. I also oppose Hector's impeachment.
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Where would that leave the Men of Middle Earth if they bought Sarumann's empty promises... or Europeans in the face of Hitler's deceitful evil
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That sounds slightly gross, and yet I do find myself intrigued by the thought of chocolate drenched lips. I'll wait to see how this all unfolds. *munches more popcorn*
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Du must spek de sam languag if du are going to hav meaning. Odervise, du end up like BrownJenkins dat der ar no absolutes except de absolut dat der ar no absoluts, of kors.
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05-19-2010, 06:23 PM | #35 |
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There are no fundamental facts; there is no "man," there are only individual people, who are constituted by their relational and cultural contexts.
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Du must spek de sam languag if du are going to hav meaning. Odervise, du end up like BrownJenkins dat der ar no absolutes except de absolut dat der ar no absoluts, of kors. "Before we take this any further (trying to buy time here ), I propose the Kabinet Membr... sorry, the Cabinet Member for Language, Inked, delivers an expert opinion as to the genuinely linguistic meaning of "good" and "evil" respectively. I gather Inked also has a good insight regarding the Narnian moral values, which can't hurt." I ned not go to Narnia fur de mening of "good" und "evil". Du have de reality rit in front of du: 'Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house.' (Per Varnafinde who haz detektd de problem as notd abuv.) Good iz dat vich akords mit de Creator. "There was Eru, the One, who in Arda is calle Iluvatar; and he made first the Ainur, the Holy Ones, ... . And he spoke to them, propounding to them themes of music; ... Then Iluvatar said to them: "Of the theme that I have declared to you, I will now the ye make in harmony together a Great Music. And since I have kindled you with the Flame Imperishable, ye shall show forth your powers in adorning this theme, each with his own thoughts and devices, if he will." Bad iz dat vich akords nicht mit de Creator. "But as the theme progressed, it came into the heart of Melkor to interweave matters of his own imagining that were not in accord with the theme of Iluvatar; for he sought therein to increase the power and the glory of the part assigned to himself. ...and straight-way discord rose about him, ... Then the discord of Melkor spread ever wider ..." Den de Melkor fits aganst de Iluvatar fur zwei mor rownds und Iluvatar says, "And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor cany any alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined." Du kanst se vidout dowt dat de good iz vas Eru, the One, Iluvatar makes und vat akordz mit Him. Du kanst se vidout dowt dat substitutun of de self-vil fur de vil of Iluvatar machen de bad (vich is merly ein parasit upon de gud). Evil iz den de distortion of de gud, de discord os self-vel aganst de Creator; Evil hast nein existenc apart from de gud and iz mer shadow mit nein substanc of itz own. Gud, derfor, hast existenc und vat iz from it hast subsidiary existenc. Gud is reality und vat is alinged mit gud hast existenc. Evil is shadow und kannot hab even existenc apart from gud. Evil kanst only mutilat und rend und destroy dat which is gud. Evil iz banal und destruktiv and machen nicht gud dow it may aper to de self-centrd to be odervis. De kort can nicht decide vas is gud und evil. Gud iz, Evil iz nicht aber dat vich rends, destroys or producs discord und disharmony und inkonstancy und de opposit of de gud. Gud iz mad known un knowabl und doz nicht chang machen bekaz it iz in de natur of Eru, the Holy One, Iluvatar. Der ist nein eine gud fur Gondor und gud fur Mordor. Der ist einely gud und dat vich is nicht gud. Du ar fur on or de oder. Du kan er, du kan sek wrongly, du kan tak inordinatly, but dez ar nicht alternat gud. Dey are gud taken oder dan Iluvatar made. Den de are bad. Und de sam is tru in Narnia. Aslan sang it into existenc. Oder dan Aslan's song and its adherents, der vas only de discord und disharmony und inkonstancy und de self-vil in opositun to Aslan. Der vas nicht eine gud fur Narnia dat vas diferent from de gud fur Earth. De gud akords mit de Creator of Al, from His very natur. Oder is nicht gud und nothingnes. Und Gwai iz ful of de orc-hockey in hiz "argument". He machen nicht eine gud postmodernist. (But he parodies dem very vell!)
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Now, for the incident about the camera's in people's underwear drawers, we have to go back into the past, to 2006, a long, long time ago in a Teacup far, far away. This is a time when Hector was already facing several, diverse accusations. This particular case started with Hector mentioning having spies everywhere, as is shown in exhibit A: And when confronted with the accusation that he was spying in women's bedrooms, he did not deny it! As he so eloquently put it: It caused quite a stir... And even made the local news! Then came the shocking realisation: Quote:
He then proceeded to dig himself in even further and even tried to save himself by filibustering. But to no avail. However, the case took on a new aspect as Sane admitted to being his accomplice. Or was she the ring-leader after all? Was Sane the strong woman behind one of Entmoot's most known politicians? Was she trying to divert the attention away from Hector by spreading false accusations about well-respected members of society? We shall never know. However, the honoured jury should also consider he was not alone in this crime, and that very likely, I have already hit him on the head with a the plastic gecko as punishment somwhere in the intervening years, and by law one cannot be condemned for the same crime twice.
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For shame; "parodies" cannot possibly be good EuroEnglish!
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"parodies" ist eine gut EuroEnglish. It iz eine loan vord. Se, du are nicht eine gud postodernist, Gwai, fur du belev in rulz. Ha!
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Inked, your no-doubt wonderful speech was incredibly difficult to understand! I would like to request a translator from Euro-English to English! Politics in a language you can't understand SUCKS! Also - I didn't know that Entmoot had a double-Jeopardy thing going on. Also Also - I would like to point out how Hector flew the court when he found out he was on trial for impeachment but came back in when he heard that he might get to fight. Apparently Hector believes that violence IS the answer! This is also confirmed by the fact that he has no problems violating people's privacy when it comes to important things like unmentionables! Also also also - The other day in the Teacup, I do believe I felt an odd sensation on my derriere at the exact instant I passed by Hector on his way to get a beverage from the kitchen.
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