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There are a ton of documents in the library, but there's also a lot of information on early life, etc. and lots of interesting goodies to look at. A place where history is displayed, not just a library with books.
One of my favorite exhibits is the Gifts from Heads of State section - gifts ranging from the truly exquisite to the truly tacky There's also clothing, such as the clothes they wore to the Inaugurations. Nancy's dresses are so petite! Barbara Bush, the rather stout wife of the first Pres. Bush, once said something along the lines of how Nancy's dresses would fit her - well, at least fit one of her legs! There's also a bit from the Berlin wall there. IIRC, his gravesite will be pretty close to that.
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I've been watching some of the coverage of the events today - the horse with the missing rider is so moving. I think many countries do that.
How much coverage is this getting in other countries? It's been pretty much live most of the day here in California, except when the plane was flying from Pt. Mugu AFB to Andrews AFB.
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I just got finished watching it. God Bless America was beautiful and stuff. It was really a great service. I know from talking to Jonathan that CNN International was having it - but I don't think they were having it on their normal stations.
I wish I could go to Washington - it's only a 3 - 4 hour drive from me - but with what you said and the news said about the wait in California - I doubt I would be able to get to see the casket anyway. I imagine that Washington may even be worse. I'm going to see if ABC might put this out on DVD and see if I can buy it. They had a lot of good information on Reagan and the history of state funerals. This was the first State Funeral since LBJ.
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People have been lined up since 5 this morning. And believe me the traffic here is a nightmare. Best to take it all in on TV.
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It looks like its only about 3 hours now - keep checking it out, JD, it'd be a pretty special thing to go to.
The main problem in California was that they WAY underestimated the number of people that would show up. They doubled the number of busses by Tuesday morning, and the wait went down to 3 hours. Not soon enough to help my husband and bro-in-law, but oh well. Back when we thought it was going to be 3 hours, I was going to read The Hobbit to the kids in line! But 8 hours was just impossible, and by the time it was down to 3, they were back in school and it just didn't work.
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BBC News did a feature on him. Interesting guy...
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as for those F-15s... those puppies are LOUD! I live about 10 miles south of Andrews Air Force Base and those suckers went RIGHT over my house. I was in my basement with the TV on and I thought the house was falling apart. They were so low. And the amazing thing is Im hearing them zoom over one after they other. I go run upstairs to look outside. Then go back downstairs just in time to see them on TV. Had to do a double take considering I had just seen them over my house not 20 seconds ago. Talk about fast. I still dont understand why they didnt have some of those based there on September 11.
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Are you going to try to get to any ceremonies, IRex? Since you're so close to Andrews, maybe you could watch the procession go by. I think I might take the kids to watch it on its way to the Reagan library on Friday.
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Yeah, I know what you mean about the crowds. When the Olympics were in LA, I didn't go to any of the events. Looking back, tho, I wish I would have gone to at least one...
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06-11-2004, 05:53 AM | #32 |
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Let's not rush to carve Reagan's face on Mount Rushmore, agrees Godfrey Hodgson in The Independant. For Starters, the idea he won the Cold War single-handedly, is exaggerated. Though he stood firm, the wheels were already coming off the Soviet Union. His legacy, meanwhile, has in many respects been a negative one. After a decade and a half of gloom, Reagan's sunny confidence was a timely balm for the US. But the mood of euphoria that he created is responsible for the "lone superpower" arrogance in his spiritual heirs in George Bush II's administration.
What many cannot forgive is his insistence that any enemy of communism was a friend of his. This led him to embrace such murderous regimes as the exiled Khmer Rouge government, the Nicarguan "contra" rebels and the Afghan mujahideen. The Reagan years may have been when the Cold War was brought to a draw, but they were also when the dragons teeth of our present conflicts were sown.
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As for carving his face in Mount Rushmore - that is OUR decision as Americans - not Britains, not Frances, not Canadas, no one has a say in that other than America. As for embracing enemies of communism as being a friend of "his" that is not true. Sometimes the enemy of my enemy is my friend. That has been the way of the world for millenium. It was that way during World War II - we supported Stalin during that war - do you think Churchill thought he was his friend or do you think Roosevelt thought Stalin was his friend. I think you know the answer without me telling you. By the way - I can't beleive you claim the cold war was brought to a draw. So where is the Soviet Union? Oh yeah - half their countries that made up the Soviet Union are now part of the EU. The EU would not have gotten it's latest members if it had NOT been for Ronald Reagan telling it like it was and leading the fight against the Soviet Union in those years.
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Radagast, that was not a very kind post to put in a thread like this, which is about the death of a President of the United States that was very well liked by many people here. Look at the faces of the people that stood in line for HOURS to pay their respects to him - you often see tears, and you see elderly military men solemnly saluting.
Could you please start a new thread if you want to discuss any negative aspects about him. I'm sure he has some - after all, he's not perfect, and neither are you - but this isn't the place to discuss them, IMO.
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Sadly, Rian, due to the abominable and frankly intolerable gagging order on political threads I cannot start a new thread.
Let us not be drawn into a state of looking at the past through rose-tinted glasses. Was my post kind? No, nor was it unkind. I did not know the man. As for Jerseydevil's flippant triumphalism in the downfall of the Soviet Union, of course it was brought to a draw. No one can claim victory, save a hollow one, over rank upon rank of a consistently brutalised people to whose lot it has fallen of the centuries to be ruled by despots, in that over-large and foolish nation. Are the people happier? Possibly. But let us make one thing clear, Jersey, Reagan was not responsible for the downfall of the Union. Economically it was simply not a viable venture. It was through the tireless work of British and American diplomats, infiltrators for decades- Regean was in the right place to claim credit.
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so says you. As Rian basically said - start a new thread to bitch.
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I suppose all I can do is smile the wan smile of those trying to make a valid point against insurmountable odds.
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I am dealing with it, madam, and this is why I am raising the issue here, in the aptly titled thread. What better time to have a true evaluation of his life, but after his death?
And what I think jerseydevil finds hard to swallow is that the Valiant U.S.A.'s Great Noble Stand Against The 'Evil Empire' is a hollow victory. And that is genuinely what I find sad about jersey, and this is not a flame, just a comment, that he does not concede anything. You hold on to your beliefs like a drowning man clutches a raft, something to guide you through the roaring waves and surf all around you. But, essentally, the raft is just a conveniently placed set of values. Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel...
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