09-02-2004, 02:00 AM | #21 |
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also Valinor was a country not a fortress so Valinor doesnt count. That would be like saying ME is my favorite fortress. Also i didnt even know Giants existed in tolkiens works. Huh.
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09-02-2004, 02:36 AM | #22 |
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Well they are definitly in the Hobbit.
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when??
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During a storm, when they're in the misty mountains. They went to a cave for refuge, but got taken prisoner by orcs instead.
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Yep, from the hobbit POV though, IIRC. IOW, the stone giants causing the storm may not have been stone giants at all... it's a bit contentious.
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I think you mean the part where Tolkien speaks in metaphore, saying that Helms deep must have been built by giants of men. Something along those lines. The part in the Hobbit does specificly mention Giants, people seem to read this wrong every time its mentioned, the storm is real and so are the giants, the thingsi s they are both used metephoricly to describe eachother. Anyhow back on the thread subject, My favorite fortress isn't exactlly a fortress but isnt as huge as Valinor either. My favorite... fortress, Haven, city was Andúnië of Númenor. If that doesn't work then I would have to say my second favorite is Minas Ithil, or Minas Morgul.
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Giants of men who couldn't manage to build a drawbridge, is my point.
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I think we could satisfy almost everyone (well... maybe THAT's a stretch) to say that there WERE giants in the Misty Mountains - and maybe a few other places, but that they were few in number and rather reclusive. I doubt they could have been coaxed into helping the Numenoreans build Helm's Deep. Right now though, this line of thinking does bring to mind the two giants hired by the Norse gods to build their palace in Valhalla...
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Andunie is allowed. Just about everything except for countriesd or regions are allowed. Like No ME and No Gondor.
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09-07-2004, 03:11 PM | #33 |
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Would Henneth Annun be regarded as a fortress?
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yes it would be. Just no countries or continents.
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What about Moria. That was a country and a fortress.
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was Moria a country I always thought of it as something between a country and a fortress. A lot of the dwarf kingdoms are like that. Erebor and Moria are relatively similar to that aspect. ALso I meant something like Gondor doesnt count. ANything that has cities towns and/ or multiple lords.
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was khazud-dum a country. i always thought it was just that area surrounding the bridge.
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Did the dwarves have their own name for it because Moria was elvish.
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