01-14-2008, 02:35 PM | #21 | |
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Faramir and Denethor come to mind. They both almost seemed too noble in the books, as did Boromir. If you look at Tolkien's works alone, so many of his main characters had no faults. Anything they did that would be considered evil was simply a result of corruption by the Ring and/or Sauron. It's idealistic, which is fine, but also unrealistic.
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01-17-2008, 07:42 PM | #22 | |
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Setting yourself on fire is "noble"?
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I think the current fashion for realism is getting a bit out of hand when people start complaining that a work of fantasy is unrealistic. So far as I know elves, trolls, balrogs, wizards and hobbits do not exist. I thought a lack of realism was kind of the point. |
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01-18-2008, 12:00 PM | #23 |
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I meant it in terms of Denethor's general failings being later attributed to his access to a palantir, which lead to corruption by Sauron.
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01-18-2008, 12:24 PM | #24 |
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I can only speak for myself but when I turn to sci fi and fantasy, I like my landscapes surreal, my species and races (other than humans) unreal, and my humans (and their concerns and issues) real.
I feel generally satisfied from the movies on all 3 points so whereas, like almost everyone, there are aspects of each that grate on me, I enjoyed (and still enjoy) them. |
01-19-2008, 12:55 AM | #25 |
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I think a lot of the props were really beautiful. This will come across better in the films, because when a person walks into a room, the author doesn't describe everything in the room, but in a film when a person walks in a room, your eyes go around the room and notice things. And I think they made a lot of beautiful things for the films.
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01-19-2008, 12:57 AM | #26 |
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Well, I think a work should be internally realistic, and in LOTR, humans are humans, and we all know they're not perfect.
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
01-20-2008, 01:09 PM | #27 |
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Speak for yourself.
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01-21-2008, 12:23 AM | #28 |
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*gives Sis a big ol' kiss*
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
01-24-2008, 07:57 PM | #29 |
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Which was only made possible by his overconfidence in his own abilities. Denethor is really a classic tragic hero; a great man, several notches above most, with a tragic flaw which eventually undoes him.
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