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I think that the scary part is that Arwen is soooo much older than Aragorn.... I mean, who marries their ancestors, however distant?
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Who cares how old she is? She was immortal, so she would still appear young and beautiful and lively. Besides, they loved each other and that's all that really matters, isn't it?
Actually, I think it would be pretty interesting. "Tell me again what the world was like long before I was even born." |
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And, she's not old for elves. I can't find a really bad thing about this. And Aragorn is pretty old himself for a man.
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Well, they're ALL children of Iluvatar, so the only ones in Middle Earth not practicing incest would be the men and elves and ents humping dwarves.
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what i am interested about is when arwen ditched her immortal elf life did she start ageing... coz i think it would be pretty wrong if you just have this old man aragorn in the arms of some gorgeous young looking elvish lass
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No, I don't imagine that she did. She became mortal, NOT human.
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yeah but isnt ageing a part of being mortal not human...
just filthy thats all...
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By the way my great aunt married my uncle, which makes me my own niece -- or does it? I used to know this. I think Arwen had to have aged along with Aragorn, though I think they both stayed pretty young looking all their lives. After all, Aragorn got to die when he felt like it. |
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It's okay for cousins to marry, and Aragorn and Arwen are cousins many generations removed. Even though they have the same distant ancestors, they're not technically related.
Didn't Aragorn die when he was about 200?
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210, yes, in the year IV 120.
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I thought that was weird. "Yes, Arwen, I think I'll drop dead now. See ya!" *carks it* Psycho Numenoreans!
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As I recall, it was considered bad form to marry anyone closer than second cousin among the Eldar. Third cousins and further, however, were fair game. So Aragorn and Arwen, while technically related, are not being incestuous by elven standards.
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You mean he just said, I feel like dying!? Is that suicide?!?!!!
Hmm.. pick up the mail, yup, did that... take cloak to the cleaners... check... buy groceries... yes, that's done. The only thing left is to die....... *whump!*
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It's not really suicide because it's kinda good manners among Numenoreans to die before you get too old and ugly and "unmanned". And I thought I was weird!
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They don't so much kill themselves prematurely as refuse to cling to life when it's time to go. It's all a matter of perspective.
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I've bunged this here 'cos I can't think of anywhere else to stick it
I don't know about the leneage concerning insect re: Aragorn Arwen.........but the fact that Aragorn wound up being king of both elves and men is pretty impressive...
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Re: I've bunged this here 'cos I can't think of anywhere else to stick it
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