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Only a couple of weeks ago it was released that a very detailed written plan was discovered in Indonesia that spelled out Al Qaeda's plan to take over the world and to conquer the west. One of the key things was to seperate the US from it's allies. It's sort of scary - because it seems to be somewhat working.
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I haven't studied much Middle East history. I do remember some point in history when Islam went through a "purifying" phase and libraries were burned and such for being blasphemous. About when was this? Is there any more you can share? |
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I think this helps in my understanding a bit more. Isn't it an individual's choice to expose themselves to those influences, though? What I'm saying is, if a muslim doesn't want those European/American influences in their home, they don't have to watch those TV channels, buy those products, listen to those radio stations, etc. Why attack another people for what they choose to expose themselves to? |
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I heard that Moraccans were being held as suspects, though. I didn't know about the bomb that took the life of 3 or 4 and the GEO also. My sympathies to your country, Fat Middle. |
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Also killed were 18 Iraqi police, as the 5 car bombs were set to go off near Basra's police station at the height of rush hour. I suppose their goal was to take out as many Iraqis, who were on their way to work, as possible. Basra is under Brittish coalition control, and when the coalition forces ran to help at the blast, Iraqis threw stones at them. WTF? I honestly do not understand the Iraqis. If someone was blowing up my fellow countrymen, kids and cops, I'd be right there trying to get rid of them. Not throwing stones at people who are trying to give me my country back. http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html |
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Well, not all Moroccans are held as suspects. There are LOTS of Moroccans in Spain. The Morocco government have collaborated with our Police to find the terrorists.
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i think one more perspective needs to be added here... much like the nazi leadership in ww2 and the general german populace who followed them... there is the al qaeda, and there are the millions of muslims who support or sympathize with them in some way
while i have no sympathy whatsoever for the hardcore al qaeda and their tactics, there are "valid" reasons for the support they receive (and by valid, i don't necessarily mean right, but understandable) a large reason why the nazis were so easily accepted by the general german populace pre-ww2 was because they offered a solution to all the problems that arised from the prejudices and economic oppression which all germans were subject to post-ww1... yes, their tactics were more than brutal, but if you watch your family die off one by one due to poverty and oppression, i think it can be quite easy to lose that sense or right and wrong that many of us take for granted in the fairly "easy" lifestyles we lead... and to turn to extremist religious viewpoints... when you have little in this world, the only place to look for salvation is the afterlife many argue that it is not about money... which is true to an extent... al qaeda leadership is mostly rich and educated... but so are most other leaders, it is their talents that allow them to rise to such a position... however, the fact that they are a group with such widespread support, as opposed to a few thousand malcontents, has everything to do with the lack of economic and political freedom among those who support them i'm all for hunting the leadership and operatives down, but a permanent solution to the problem must involve bringing social and economic freedoms to the general populace muslim world... not just changing the owners of the oil rigs from those who hate the US to those who like the US
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My fault for not being clear in what I had said. I meant, that the suspects held in custody by the Spanish police were Moraccan. Not that all Moraccans were being held as suspects. |
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Nay, it was not your fault. I understood you. I just wanted to make it clear because some people around here are begining to have anti-moroccan and want they all out of Spain. In fact, we have never get along very well with Morocco
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Just listing some sources of the problems:
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Wow... thanks for posting that, FM.
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and no, it is not easy... but i am afraid sometimes these days that we may be creating more suicide bombers than we are killing consistancy between how we treat undemocratic practices in countries like saudi arabia and israel, and how we treat them in iraq and afghanistan would be a good start
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we entered iraq on the pretense of UN resolutions, yet continue to ignore the various UN resolutions made against israel after the arab/israeli war
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